World: r3wp

So R3/GUI will mix paid stuff through bounties made by RMA and free 
stuff made by  benevolant wanting to make the thing goes on

well I will stop here I already explained my point of view on this 
matter ... but yes we lack volunty we lack people we lack knowledge 
we lack time we lack direction etc...

If you think the current contributors want to make money over your 
back, why don't you simply make everything yourself? Problem solved

Kaj ok so your idea of a working rebol community is a rebol community 
with 10 R3/GUI because 10 of us has different ideas on the topic.

Kaj that's not my way to see that that's all but don't worry i'm 
looking for people to help me do my own project and discuss about 
a forked R3/GUI  you are free to join the discussion... And I won't 
ask you pennies for functionalities :).

but as usual it's shadwolf do your stuff in your corner and shut 
the fuck off  like it was for most of my work...

that's not communautary work... that's not the way a community should 
work you think the guys in blender, gtk+ the gimp etc... work without 
exchanging informations each on their corners and that's how their 
projects goes on? We are not alot so we need to be more focused than 
any other and creating distansions and oposing the gurus to the rest 
of the world isn't the right path. But as yuri said on another forum 
lesson 1 rebol is a bobbistic language, it's the hobby of Carl and 
the hobby of most of us and that's why when it sucks people disapears 
to do other things.

this community is dieing but maybe that's the goal persued you want 
everyone to flee this community to stay betwin gurus ...

Kaj what happend if the day of tomorow Carl says like he did 2 times 
already ok this project R3/GUI can't go on like that I will reform 
it ?

it's not only against some people in this community that i'm doing 
my asks that's to have a clear ground to know what we can do what 
we can't what quality we could expect will the bugs we submit will 
be solved ? will RMA group will goes on after the initial "release" 
? How will be  decided the the futur work on that topic .. See all 
that are topic that concerns us.

Think of what you could produce if you put all that energy you spend 
arguing into development

...RMA don't want to work with us...

 - that is a lie. RMA do want to work with all developers wanting 
 to cooperate. In fact, there are areas, where you could easily contribute. 
 But, if you instead try to show RMA do something you don't want them 
 to do, then your this is not how cooperation works.

Something to change the mood - Have a banana split Guys - (Vintage 
79's)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgVttp5pfjI

Speculation about the future new app model for development under 
Windows:


http://www.osnews.com/story/24233/Is_Microsoft_Working_Towards_NT_Silverlight_Net_Everywhere_

Sorry, I stopped reading once I read "According to Paul Thurrot" 
;)

I stopped reading when the referenced articles actually said that 
they had been proven wrong.

No problem, they got your ad impressions already...

Scala Team Wins ERC Grant: The Scala research group at EPFL is excited 
to announce that they have won a 5 year European Research Grant of 
over 2.3 million Euros to tackle the "Popular Parallel Programming" 
challenge. http://www.scala-lang.org/node/8579

PS3 Hacked Once and For All?
http://forum.digital-digest.com/showthread.php?t=94339

Sony sues Geohot and his team over PS3 3.55 jailbreak

http://www.geek.com/articles/games/sony-sues-geohot-and-his-team-over-ps3-3-55-jailbreak-20110112/


Does Sony have a case? Was it ok, when Sony removed the "install 
other OS" feature? Was it legal?

this is a very nice demo about security... Brian should go over this 
whole thing and I'm sure he'll get some ideas into increasing the 
security model in REBOL.

The question is, does Sony have a clue?

1 sec Linux cold boot to Qt environment for home automatition. That's 
how I imagined some minimal R3 based environment :-) 
http://www.embedded-bits.co.uk/2011/1-second-linux-boot-to-qt/

Pekr that's the kind of stuff i like to read ...

We've not applied any specific intellectual property but instead 
spent time analysing where boot delays are coming from and simply 
optimising them away. The majority of the modifications we make usually 
fall into the category of 'removing things that aren't required', 
'optimising things that are required', or 'taking a new approach 
to solving problems' and are tailored very precisely to the needs 
of the 'product'.

and in the end it's insanely fast booting ...

Here's graph, how they reduced execution times in particular sections 
- http://www.swiftboot.com/swiftBoot/Home.html

yeah but this is a very super specific 1 application run environement 
...

but even ... the fluidity of boot knowing it's only a 500Mhz processor 
is amazing ...

exactly - I am quite surprised, as Linux are not generally fast in 
boot times, and this is embedded area (Renesas chips).

I like extrem stuffs like that ... It shows that hardware progress 
just servs people to be more lazy in their creation. At a time hardware 
was short and expensive people were spending zillions hours to  optimise 
everything even going on the lower possible assembly level to have 
just and only the necessary. Now in days with  our gigantic powerfull 
processor people stoped to optimise things they pile up to the sky 
things and don't care if it take 30 more times to execute ...

Pekr linux is fast on boot time i mean a genuine  linux ubuntu 10.10 
on a 1.6 ghz procesor like my netbook boots up in 30 seconds wich 
isn't bad at all compare to the 5 minutes of boot time needed to 
 start windows 7 starter ed on same machine...

That's how computers should work in general. My new 2.53 GHz MacBook 
Pro with solid state drive boots in 17 seconds or so. My old iBook 
G4 boots in 50 seconds. Still my old 50 Mhz 68030 Amiga could boot 
in less than 10 seconds.

then you have chromeOS which boots in 8 secs on my machine or android 
they are linux ... but very specialised one they are closer in that 
aspect to  what does switchboot

it's a know thing that when your kernel has to scan and locate proper 
drivers to fit your hardware in a driver library and load them as 
module that's the slowest way...

so the basic optimisation people were doing at the begining of linux 
was to adapt the kernel to integrate the specific driver needed for 
your hardware and only them... But this is flexible and doesn't fit 
with the hot plug need introduced by USB port and periphericals.

so now we have for example ubuntu 10.10 in netbook version which 
is basically a kernel with a driver module library that only fits 
the hardware you can find in the netbooks...  as the hardware library 
is smaller then it boots faster

I use nosplash quiet and fast-boot options for my kernels ... doing 
this I gain 10  seconds in boot sequence.

after you can gain another 10 seconds of boot time just by  using 
X11R6 + openbox windows manager instead of gnome + Metacity or kde 
etc...

maybe using wayland instead of x11R6 + compiz or metacity can speed 
up your boot sequence too

the  closer you linux will be to your specific hardware the faster 
it will boot ...

but 1 second is still amazing .. I would say I this swichboot demo 
was about accessing to a regulare openbox window manager instead 
of a dashboard I would be already buying it :)

Geomol, did yours come with a standard Apple SSD or your own? I'm 
interested in replacing the drive I have in my Macbook.

I bought it with SSD included.

ok

from cold boot, I remember being able to print a sheet on my amiga 
@28HMz before my friend's PC was able to finish booting Win95 on 
his pentium. :-)

That's what happens when you boot from ROM and implement a good chunk 
of the functionality in hardware rather than software :)

Googlewave is now Apache Wave http://googlewavedev.blogspot.com/2010/12/introducing-apache-wave.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W18Z3UnnS_0

It's just getting worse and worse with those quadrocopters...

Augmented reality for cell phones from Netherlands - http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/17/video-sprxmobiles-layar-is-worlds-first-augmented-reality-bro/

I found this more impressive... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToACDIXTzo0


But.................. watch this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1k-u0_Y8hK0&feature=related

We need to get this guy to sit down with the programmers of the Quad, 
and teach them how to make use of all aspects of flight.