World: r3wp

We need an Android port. Otherwise, how would I run R3 on my phone?

I'm convinced that HP will succeed to fail with WebOS. Wrong CEO 
and a lot of HP products are mostly crap.

HP has been succeeding with crappy products for years, so they might 
succeed with this. Too big to fail completely.

HP's slate runs flash .. you need flash to view porn.  Ergo, this 
slate will sell.

Furthermore, HP has been giving away slates free with their printers 
.. as printer control devices.

They can continue to do that for their servers

Well, at least they just straight up copy the iPad now. I'm sure 
they only announce now, because the iPad is about to be updated.

I never liked HP, dunno why :-) I worst thing is, I have no reason 
to hate them :-) But - in big corporate world, I grew-up in IBM land. 
IBM was "frienlie", because of PowerPC = Amiga :-) HP killed Compaq, 
which I liked more. Pity HTC had not enough of money to buy Palm. 
I am not also sure I like the fact that so cool OS as QNX is, is 
owned by RIM. We have BBs here, and I will have one in few months 
too, but BB is being regarded mostly a corporate cell phone.

HP was once an engineering company, but no more.

Oh, and HP printers are forbidden in my home, and PC store, unless 
customer really wants HP :-) We use Canons for ink printers. HP killed 
my trust with 300 MB+ drivers crap

Henrik - yes, IBM is an engineering company even less? :-( They sold 
their PC business to LENOVO. PowerPC is mostly in hands of Freescale 
(Motorola). And I doubt IBM will be contracted once again for the 
next gen consoles (if there will be any such devices in future).

I'm in doubt as to what hardware is reliable nowadays. The brands 
that used to be reliable are now reduced to the same quality as everyone 
else.

Competitive pressure. To be honest, this drive to mediocrity is possible 
because the low quality products have also moved to average. Quality 
is not distinctive enough anymore

It is interesting watching someone REALLY use a tablet for "work". 
 One of my lawyers has had an iPad for a while.  I have been telling 
him he can use it with Qtask in a really powerful way, and he finally 
took the 3 minutes that was required to make his life easier.  We 
installed http://readdle.com/(I have been talking to the lead programmer 
for about a year now), and signed into Qtask with it.


Now he can see all his matters, download (and they made it about 
x4 faster than Windows), and now mark up docs, save to Qtask through 
WebDAV.

I personally sitll have no use for a tablet, and I have an iPad which 
I'm about to sell because I simply don't use it.


For me to really use a Tablet I want forward/backwards camera,  10+ 
battery life, G3 and G4 wireless,  an OS that allows me to get to 
the files and Flash.  

(in fact, I''m reminded of how much I hate the iPad and my iPhone 
again LOL).

Reichart - no problem with upcoming tablet releases no? Mororola 
Xoom, Samsung Galaxy Tab, or even HP's offerings? Not to mention 
RIM QNX based PlayBook?

And I think iPad2 will add cams too, or so I remember I read somewhere 
...

Yeah Ipad2 will be a "larger iPhone4", so with the 2 cameras.

Yeah, I "done" with iPhone.  It is a GREAT little device for most 
people though.
I'm going Andriod all the way until proven otherwise.

What's great about the iPad is that it has shown HP and the others 
that engineering and innovation is important, and one should not 
bet the farm on Microsoft.

Agreed.

The main thing I like about WebOS and WP7 as opposed to Android is 
that they don't copy iOS where it counts: the UI. Both have different 
UI models with real advantages over the iOS/Android model.

Although in Android, home screens are replaceable, which is its advantage 
in that area - some of the more unusual ones are SweeterHome (which 
I use), SlideScreen, *Spark, and Windows Phone (which just attempts 
to copy Windows Phone 7)

So it is official - Nokia partners with Microsoft -no answers to 
what happens to Symbian/MeeGo strategy yet though:


http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/11/nokia-and-microsoft-enter-strategic-alliance-on-windows-phone-b/

There are other mobile ecosystems. We will disrupt them. There will 
be challenges. We will overcome them. Success requires speed. We 
will be swift. Together, we see the opportunity, and we have the 
will, the resources and the drive to succeed.""

Pity we don't have that same drive ...

We don't have money :-)

And everything is about money, remember. If someone would sponsor 
Carl to work fulltime R3, the situation would be different.

So what are the options?

BTW, how''s the port of Carl's demo going?

There are no options. BrianH constantly claims, that we have many 
things in hands, e.g. re Android. I will believe it, once I will 
see r3.dll downloadable for ARM, or it is only vapor.

We should not also forget the driving force, which Carl once was. 
Even if Carl would release Android compatible dll, it might not be 
enough, if he does not show to the outer world, that R3 development 
is vital. And not updating twitter since November, ditto for blogs, 
R3 Chat (few messages here or there does not hide the facts) speaks 
for itself ...

Re demo - for different channel, but - basic windowing is working, 
few screens too. But it can't be ported 1:1, due to some architectural 
changes.

Is anyone in contact with him?

BrianH constantly claims, that we have many things in hands, e.g. 
re Android.

 - this looks like a slight misunderstanding to me. Perhaps, by saying 
 "we have many things in hands" he did not mean the same as you saying 
 "we have many things in hands"?

Does he mean that many things are being worked on concurrently?

I do not think so.

Does he mean that there is too much work to do?

you should read above, or ask him, but I am sure Pekr misinterpreted 
his notes from above

No missinterpretation - having something in my own hands = I can 
do it myself. BrianH might be right - we can work independently from 
Carl porting Hostkit to any possible system, and that is what imo 
BrianH means - link to Android stuff. But in the end, and for full 
testing, you need R3 core library anyway ....

It's tricky when things get paraphrased. Pekr was closer to my meaning 
in his later message. There are many areas where we can work independently 
of Carl, areas that need attention. We can sync up when the initial 
development is done. There is a lot of work needed before the testing 
phase.

For instance, there is no reason that we should wait for Carl to 
start an Android port of the host kit. Even knowing that the r3lib 
has compiled on ARM is more than we require at this point, though 
it's nice to hear; we certainly aren't at the point where we actually 
need that build in our hands. Carl is not the limiting factor at 
the moment.

If by "start" you mean starting by thinking about the port, then 
granted, we won't need Carl for that.

If you are talking about getting actual stuff compiled, not having 
a libr3 basically takes any fun out of it.

Start figuring out the mapping between the host API and the Android 
API, etc. Compiling is a few second process at the end. Writing the 
code will take a bit longer.

The basic (non-view) "mapping" won't be much of an issue.

And stabbing in the dark without being able to test the code written 
with a quick compile is a very much un-fun process, at least for 
me personally.

I've already started the research, bought the phone and such. My 
limiting factors aren't Carl. And I don't do the incremental development 
with frequent compiling style, I do the write it ahead of time style, 
so am not limited yet by not having a lib in hand.

...Moving this conversation to....................hmm.............. 
we don't have a Group that nails this one....but I'm moving this 
to Android....

Interesting comment on SSL libraries:

http://www.varnish-cache.org/docs/trunk/phk/ssl.html

http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/europe/11/18/switzerland.cern.antimatter/index.html


38 anti-matter atoms trapped ... I wonder if they'll let them go 
free?