World: r3wp

http://pythoncard.sourceforge.net/samples/widgets.html

The PythonCard motto is "Simple things should be simple and complex 
things should be possible." ... I'm sure I've seen this stated before 
somewhere ;)

http://wufoo.com/demo/<--- pretty nice interface

Really cool interface, javascript dynamism ;-)

Yes, pretty simple and easy interface.

interface is nice, just a bit difficult to place cursor and type 
anything under mozilla :-)

http://www.google.com/googlespreadsheets/tour1.html<--- looks like 
Google are going for an office package

http://www.ajaxlaunch.com/<-- another Michael L. Robertson (of Linspire 
fame) venture.

Graham may want to attend this as well as other programmmers  in 
that part of the world http://www.bluishcoder.co.nz/2006/06/unenterprisey-languages-meeting.html

Bit out of my way .. it's at least a 15 min bus ride into town!

I just tried Google Spreadsheets and I'm not too impressed. Granted 
the interface is simple and there is centralized storage, but the 
thing is slow to work in and dragging cells can get a bit messy if 
you accidentally drag outside the sheet area. this could have been 
done so much better in Rebol.

Looks worth going, if nothing else but to meet new people.

it'd be cool to build a group based spreadsheet that takes advantage 
of AltME filesharing.

Describe please.

I don't know what you plan with AltME filesharing, but I sometimes 
would like a file storage service available centralized that would 
be available for me no matter where I've logged in.

there's not much of an idea in it. I'd just like to see a Rebol version 
of what Google is doing.

I'd bet it could be done much faster and lighter.

maybe it could be done through the viewtop, connect to a rebol/service 
to ask for and store documents. I don't know...

Henrik, how about carrying a usb drive with you?

USB drives do not always work on the target hardware

in fact I've not experienced that great reliability with USB drives. 
more often than not I find myself using an FTP server as the USB 
drives have failed, files have been screwed up or not properly updated.

You could always run a synapse chat server :)

the google way is cool if you have some work you do at home, which 
you want to continue on a netcafe or the library or just a place 
where you won't be for long

but it lacks speed and elegance

Or and IOS server if you have the $$$

but IOS requires local installation :(

As does Altme

yeah, hopefully the plugin would solve that

also needs to be installed :)

which hopefully will become as smooth as flash...

... and preinstalled in all internet cafés ...

Henrik - very strange, really. In our company, USB drives (flash 
drives) are really a boom. We can see problems VERY sporadically, 
if ever. I would definitely refuse to call them unreliable - much 
more reliable than anything else - floppies, cds/dvds

I have seen a few laptops that has broken USB ports due to overused 
of USB drives. I still think it is great though.

pekr, the drives themselves are OK, but the OS'es handle them badly. 
If I under MacOSX store some files on the drive and eject the drive 
as I properly should, the files are just not present on the drive 
according to WinXP, as if the ejection procedure didn't sync files 
to disk. Half the time, they don't work under Linux without hours 
of fiddling and most win98 machines won't handle them at all. Data 
transfer between machines is probably successful about 50% of the 
time.

An internet connection is, for me, a much more reliable way to get 
data onto a machine. It's probably the syncing aspect that makes 
them so unreliable.

Could UNIX commands sync and touch help you? You have them under 
MacOS, and maybe under Windows too with cygwin. A little script could 
run through the dirs and sync or touch (or both) the files.

I don't waste any more time on USB drives :-)

oh :)

Cut the crap and move on
 is a good idea.

Henrik - don't blame USB drives for your problems then :-)

as far as my experience goes, WXP was never problem - plug-and-play, 
never lost single file. The problem is valid for W2K, but it is how 
they did it .... one of my friends told me (not sure it is true), 
that W2K first caches files, and unless of some size, it is not being 
written to target USB device. So, if you unplug it and not by using 
OS disconnecting facility, such files are not there ....

maybe there is some setting for that, dunno .... Windows denerves 
me sometimes with so called - rought czech translation - delayed 
write was not successfull. Not sure how it happens, but somewhere 
deep in your profile there is a dir for such a feature, and if there 
is some file, you can see annoying messages each time Windows starts.

Henrik - did you do your homework this time, really? Win98 needs 
drivers, so what? 1) throw away PC using W98 :-) 2) Install your 
driver once, and it works like WXP next time, that is all. Had no 
problem with my old Fedora Core 1 and my 2 USBs, never hear of that 
"works half the time under Linux"

well, anyway, there is not easier way how to carry your files around 
then USB flash drives, so :-)

pekr, I can't just ask a customer to throw away 10 win98 machines 
and go spend thousand of dollars on XP licenses because my little 
pen drive does not work on them. the fact is that I work in too many 
different OS'es that USB drives can work reliably across. had I been 
working in XP alone, there may not have been a problem, but this 
is not the case.

some machines don't even have USB ports...

but they have TCP/IP stacks :-)

and I've also seen XP machines that flat out refuse to mount USB 
drives. this is a stupid problem.

well, this week, having PC shop, one customer buys two new PCs. I 
don't understand one thing - czech republic is far from being rich, 
yet ppl listen to suggestions. W98 is security thread and unnecessary 
complication in your network. Then carry floppy with your usb pen 
driver - always worked for me, the driver is tiny ...

well, or just small cd-rw should work for you as well :-)

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