World: r3wp

is there any way that the community can "vote" on what priorities 
it considers important ?

I would very much like to see that happen.

I know it's cool to work on rebcode etc.. but for those developing 
basic applications, there are some show stoppers that just bring 
things to a halt.

What for instance?

PS: I'd really like to get more help with REBOL.  Problem is, out 
of 100 users, there are normally only about 1 or 2 that will help 
out.

and that #$!%!! detect face bug is a real pain. Gab raised its priority 
to critical, but I'm really prevented from making much progress until 
it's fixed *and* in the SDK. 
 /endquote

private conversation

carl, maybe people need to see a task list? one where they could 
easily say "hey, I can do that, I'm skilled in this area"

A way for visible way for developers to influence RT's currrent focus 
would be really good.

When I hear things coming to a "halt" due to REBOL bugs, I look at 
things like AltME and QTask that are running on really old version 
of REBOL that had a lot more bugs... and they seem to work pretty 
well.

Altme is buggy.

It is?

its crashed twice today with recycle bug for me.

Yep, that's the good old one.

AltMe does crash once in a while but it actually crashes less frequently 
than any other IM I use and it provides a whole lot more in functionality.

I only see it once a month or so.

Yes, everyone seems to ignore all the bugs in other programs, like 
Win32 itself. But,... not to get onto that track.

Back to the idea of voting or influencing.

There are three "kinds" of projects for us: R, D, and B.

R is research. Rebcode is an example. We do those to push a bit, 
because we know they require a lot of thought, plus user testing 
and feedback.

D is development. The normal day-to-day working on REBOL.

B is bug fixing. That's a special mode.

Anyway, we should shift groups. This is the wrong one. But, I am 
very interested in some kind of voting method.

is there any way that the community can 
vote" on what priorities it considers important ?"

..................yup.

Altme is buggy.

  Graham...........on that I have to call BS!  AltME has less bugs 
  in it that almost any multifunctional application I know of.  It 
  should get a bloody award.

One thing worries me. AltME hasn't change much in the last two years. 
I haven't add anything beyond its basic functionality, however two 
major bugs have persited during this time:
- Recycle bug
- Losing postings

!AltME group?

So, it is not perfect and this is not a contest about who has less 
bugs, but how can the supporting technology response quickly to address 
the problems that an end-user application has.

In two years those issues were not removed. Not new features were 
added. In the eyes of some developers that raises eyebrows.

(cloacking back to hack in orca)

Reichart, this was in response to Carl saying effectively that Altme 
was bug free .. saying that some developers were able to work past 
perceived bugs.  This was not a criticism of Altme per se.. but to 
refute that assertion.

I'll answer t this in AltME.

Orca can be found at trac.geekisp.com/orca

http://trac.geekisp.com/orcaclick on timeline to track progress

svn://svn.geekisp.com/orca if you want to download the develpment 
code

Back to my question does anybody care on Ops working on tuple decimal 
combinations?

I guess it would be nice but I wouldn't consider it high priority

Any one wishing to monitor the advancement of orca on a daily basis 
can suscribe to this RSS feed.

http://trac.geekisp.com/orca/timeline?milestone=on&ticket=on&changeset=on&wiki=on&max=50&daysback=90&format=rss

Firefox locked up on me when I tried that.

oh well, I reported the problem to microsoft.

Strange it works here with my RSS reader (not a browser based one). 
You can find a direct link at the bottom of this page http://trac.geekisp.com/orca/timeline

nice to see some mezzaines to check for different types of tuples 
eg. reserved local addresses, and multicast addresses while you're 
blazing in this area.

I posted mezzanines for this sometime ago. I don't know in which 
version of rebol world. Any how, I will package them again and post 
them to rebol library.

I don't think I will be working on mezz for a while there is a lot 
to do in Orca.

Jaime, what do you think the result of 1.2.3 + 0.5 should be ?  1.7.3, 
or 2.3.4  (rounding to nearest integer) ?

Well. I implemented in orca the same behaviour found in rebol. Do 
you think that it should be changed?

I hadn't even noticed that worked !

I would say - try to keep compatibility, while you are considering 
it now.

BTW, Everybody is invited to contribute to Orca's development effort. 
Initially if you have a patch email it to me, and we will reviewed. 
Once the core team are comfortable with the quality of the contributions 
the author will be given repository access.

Finished support of tuples for all operator actions.

XOR OR and AND have slightly different behavior than REBOL when arguments 
are a tuple and a number. ie:

O> 1.2.1 xor 2015.345 ;== 222.221.222
R> 1.2.1 xor 2015.345 ;== 255.255.255


Which behaviour the community prefers? I believe orca's implementation 
is more correct, but we can change it.

Does anyone use such feature bitwise ops between tuples and numbers?

It's great to find out about this project. It would help a lot if 
any of you know the developers of the two previous related projects 
(sievertsen.de - freebell.sf.net) and (softinnov.org - dockimbel 
- r#) and get them to contribute to Orca. It looks like orca is very 
close to getting some momentum !