World: r3wp

Ok, I think I'm happy enough with LGPL, I guess..

who is leading Orca development?

Anton :-)

Um... Jaime is, kind of... He seems to be the one who knows the most 
about it at the moment.

But I'm making a bit of a push. :)

Jaime is reportedly dropping REBOL...

I think he has some post-natal depression ;-)

i wish my c skills were good

Jaime said he's still going to hang around with Orca as on a hobby 
basis.

thanks - i think this is a really good idea, should of happened a 
long time ago

with Rebol itself I mean

Yep

So, Anton, what's your stake in this?

I want the code to be open so there's no limit to my understanding 
of it.

Is it a hobby for you, too, or anything else?

I don't support GPL in any way, that is a bitch license. LGPL I don't 
know about. But if RT releases some parts, I hope those are BSD. 
And if Orca can serve for REBOL back, that is a strange situation 
to have ....

I guess you just use GPL applications ;-)

Orca can= Orca can't

Am I the only one who use Rebol professionally full time?

Nope

I use, but I do not link to them probably? If GPL means I have to 
release ALL my app code, even the code COMPLETLY irrelevant to the 
GPL stuff I linked too, then it sucks big way. I don't hesitate to 
release any improvements/changes produced by developer to the GPL 
part in question, but not the whole app.

It's more of a religion for me, I guess.

business should be allowed ... and to allow business, you should 
not push anyone to unwanted/unrelated actions ....

I guess that's why IBM likes GPL so much...

Pekr, relax. That's ground covered by Rebol.

Maybe someone else will come along with a BSD rebol clone one day, 
but Rebol and Orca being at opposite ends of an axis is not a bad 
situation. Nicely balanced.

OK, should relax probably. It is just, it seems a bit contraproductive 
to me, which is a pity .... because if RT could use some good things, 
maybe they would decide to open some of theirs ones, as e.g. Console, 
etc., but it is a pity, the way for cooperation is ... nearly impossible 
....

If they release BSD code, it can go into Orca :-)

They work for and against each other in different ways. If it is 
changed from LGPL to BSD then there will be other restrictions, but 
also other advantages.

Exactly

Anton - well, I am probably not good at all at licensing stuff ... 
what restrictions there could be with BSD license?

Alright, I'd better get back to coding...

Orca coding?

Remember the AltME world. World name: Orca, guest account: guest, 
guest password: guest

REBOL ==> Orca ==> REVOLT

BSD is compatible with LGPL

Commercial is compatible with LGPL

Only enforcement of LGPL is that if you change the core the you need 
to post changes.

So you modify some LGPL code your changes need to be opened. But 
if you just link to it, your code stays yours.

Advantage, nobody can stop the REVOLT.

But anyone can take advantage of it.

If you link to LGPL, you also have to publish your binary objects

Don't follow that implication, sharing binaries doesn't hurt anyone 
or force anything.

It probably makes it a lot easier to reverse engineer your code. 
That may be an objection of RT

Nah.

*Jaime* cloack again

Jaime, an advantage to OpenRebol is that we don't have to go through 
changing all the code that looks like this:

#define orResult(t,v) \
    orSetTF(a1, t); \
    a1->index = v;

#define orResultCopy(v)     orCopyV(a1,v)

#define orResultSeries(t,w,idx) \
    orSetTF(a1, t); \
    orSetSeries(a1,w,idx)

#define orResultSTRING(i)   orResultSeries(OT_STRING,i,0)
#define orResultFILE(i)     orResultSeries(OT_FILE,i,0)
#define orResultBLOCK(i)    orResultSeries(OT_BLOCK,i,0)
#define orResultBINARY(i)   orResultSeries(OT_BINARY,i,0)
#define orResultNONE        orResult(OT_NONE,0)

etc.. etc...

All those "or" prefixes may refer equally to "ORca" or to "OpenRebol" 
 :)

Anyway, it's hardly a revolt, is it ?

I think it's a revolting name :)