World: r3wp

It is easier to add the VCS parts of DevBase to RebDev chat and rename 
RebDev to DevBase (the current plan) than it would be to get DevBase 
into a usable state. I know - I am the lead programmer of DevBase.


What we really need to do to is get the project to the point where 
we can release it to the developing public without it turning into 
a disaster and the project dying. We needed a way to enable and organize 
development discussions, completely integrated with DevBase, to help 
people cooperate instead of hinder the project. We have that now.


I agree that the CLI client for RebDev sucks, and that we need a 
GUI client. We don't need it *now* though: RebDev already works better 
than AltME for our purposes, and we can do the GUI after the public 
release. The messages we write now will still be there later, ready 
to be read in the GUI client if you want to wait for that.


We absolutely do *not* want chat in CureCode - comments in CureCode 
are *documentation*, not chat.


Because we went the route we did R3 is nearly ready for release to 
the developing public (as an alpha). If we had done as you suggested 
we would not be so close to release. Keep in mind that what you are 
suggesting we do is what we were doing before, and it failed badly. 
That is why we are doing what we are doing now, which is succeeding.

We are at a point in the development of R3 where we need the help 
of the rest of the REBOL community. This is why I think complaints 
from people impatient for R3's release are silly: Noone needs this 
release more that the people who are already working on R3. We will 
be releasing soon because we need to asap. The only delays to release 
now are practical ones, and not many, and we are focusing exclusively 
on fixing those problems right now (sorry Steeve, we'll get to the 
concerns you have been expressing recently, after release).

If we could have R3 modules feature available for R2, that would 
make the waiting for R3 easier...

BrianH: what has failed? :-) So far AltME worked - discussions, sharing, 
everything worked. Even r3-alpha as released one year ago did not 
cause any disaster. So - what actually failed? I have to be missing 
something ...

You might have noticed the creation of the GUI world, even though 
we already had an alpha world, and the tiny number of people who 
were invited to the GUI world, especially at first. For that matter 
remember the creation of the alpha world in the first place. These 
events happened because AltME failed as a medium for development 
discussions.


AltME lacks the moderation and organization facilities of RebDev. 
If there are more than several people in a world communications break 
down. One troll and the process grinds to a halt. If AltME was good 
enough, R3 development discussions would be happening *here*, instead 
of talk about religion and politics.

I prove all too often the failure of the ALTME moderation controls 
;-)

You can delete messages or move them to other topics in RebDev, if 
you have the rank. You can even make subcategories.

Don't worry: Abusing rank is the quickest way to lose it :)

I don't know, our governor is still in charge.  ;-)

In RebDev, not Illinois :(

hehe

For all who are so much interested that cannot wait:
http://www.rebol.net/wiki/R3_Alpha
(with downloads link inside)

uh... the old LSD dates are back with the blue on red colors:)

For these who don't want to read and just download it now... http://www.rebol.net/wiki/R3_Releases

Cool, thanks Oldes.

LSD?

Paul first ;-)

i posted the info on french BBS too

hehe

For those of you who don't want to read the release notes and warnings, 
don't bother downloading R3 - it's too different for you :)

For those of you who scoff at  Brian's opinion, download R3 - ;-)

I'm kicking ties as we speak.

Yup! R3 chat is the best place to scoff at me opinion - just ask 
Steeve :)

me -> my

ok, first off - regarding the documentation.  The wiki should be 
updated so that the search field on the wiki site works with REBOL 
commands.

I would like to type in the wiki search field a command such as "what" 
and get extensive help on that function.  That possible?

Or put a new search field in just for commands.

The wiki should be updated with a newer version of wikimedia - we 
didn't write it.

sure, update the wiki yourself Paul :-)

Yeah I understand that.

I'm not versed in the Wiki and in fact I don't like the design myself 
but that is just me.

The best place for that kind of search function is as parameters 
to the DOCS function in R3.

yeah that would be perfect Brian.

We have a similar function in R3 for errors already: WHY?

Yeah I noticed that one.

I had an error actually but it didn't return any info on it.  But 
did take me to the page on the wiki to tell me that it didn't have 
any info on it.  ;-)

If you don't read the docs and chat, it doesn't take long to notice 
the WHY? function :)

Paul, if you throw to much why?, your rank will be lowered in the 
chat by Brian

Hehe.  I won't be acting like I do here in this world in rebdev.

I didn't here until the development team pretty much moved to other 
mediums and this then became a playground.

Um, no, that won't happen. That is one of those abuse-of-power things 
I was talking about. If I didn't like people to disagree with me 
I wouldn't have given Steeve the URL to R3 to get him testing :)

How do I define a utype?

Also does R3 include REBCODE?

A1: You wait until we have that feature. A2: Not yet, not ever in 
a compatible way.

hmmmm. ok.

I see it has functions for rebcode.

perhaps we should prevent people to not enter in some headings because 
it must remain a lot of blood on the walls when I fought with Brian

Fighting with Brian is good for ya.  ;-)   It makes us wiser.

I agree. The results of those fights either let to bug reports, feature 
requests, or valuable documentation (object lessons).

If you want to get really angry you can post private chat right in 
the topics.