World: r3wp

We should start to write-down our wishes for View/VID imo, maybe 
we are close when Cyphre will be called to continue his work :-)

I have some questions regarding timestamps on files.  They look like 
they are all GMT and don't take into account what time zone you are 
in.

To my way of thinking, they probably should default to what the system 
is doing.
For example:
Create any file TEST.r in your what-dir
>> GET QUERY %TEST.r

== [%TEST.r 7329 13-Mar-2009/20:26:42.429 file]		<-- notice the timestamp 
is not CST where I created this at 3pm, not 8pm

If you look at the file through Windows Explorer, you will see it 
is dated at the local time, not GMT.

Do I need to subtract 5 hours (DST) or 6 hours, depending upon my 
timezone and if we are on Daylight saving time?
Do we have some refinements or another way to handle that?

WTF .... while sitting in a pub, having my 3rd good Czech beer, I 
plugged my USB pen in, started R3 and run Demo. I looked at what 
it does so many times, but never looked at the source. While VID 
3.4 contains only basic styles, when looking at various panels, I 
always thought - the code for this screen has to be some 5 pages 
long. WTFonce again - 10 - 15 lines of code with such a functionality? 
Awesome .... I think I will become even more REBOL fanatic ;-) ... 
Cheers :-)

You sure it was only 3 glasses of beer??

yes, of course, now fourth! But beware - Czech beer is very special 
:-)

... but really, looking at SharePoint portal sources last week, and 
now into VID source, is quite a difference. I think that most of 
the systems out there, especially the big glory web and JS - are 
just - crap.

Whatever you do, Pekr, don't spill the beer in the laptop :-)

PatrickP61, that is a known bug: http://curecode.org/rebol3/ticket.rsp?id=615

Another icon example: http://www.fys.ku.dk/~niclasen/rebol/R3/gold-blue.png

very nice

add eyes to do a smiley inside the R  :)

Thanks, I'm not 100% satisfied with the bottom. It looks like it's 
bending outward. A dark line or something would make it better.

Geomol, you done it with draw ?

yes

souuuuuuuuurce

:-D

It's really a mess. Some from Gabrieles example. It's split in 2 
scripts to make the table mirror effect. But you can have it, if 
you want?

you can post it here ? is that so huge ?

only the primary draw, not the reversed part

sx: sy: 1
lw: 10
clip-tl: 20x20
clip-br: 380x380
sz: 400x400
color0: orange
color1: 0.0.228
color2: gold
icon: make image! sz

image: [
    transform 0 sx sy 0x0 0x0
    pen none
    fill-pen color0
    box 0x0 400x400 50
    fill-pen color1
    box 20x20 380x380 30

    clip clip-tl clip-br
	pen black
    fill-pen color2
    line-width lw
	arc 65x335 305x305 180.0 360.0
    fill-pen color1
	arc 65x335 148x148 180.0 360.0
    fill-pen color2
	arc 65x335 56x56 180.0 340.0
    clip 0x0 sz
    pen black fill-pen white
    line-width lw
	line-join round
	push [
	scale 0.9 0.9
	translate 20x20
	shape [
		move 221x60
		line 85x60 85x349 187x349 187x255 230x349 340x349 264x238
		curve 264x238 323x218 323x152
		curve 323x152 323x60 221x60
		move 204x187
		line 187x187 187x137 204x137
		curve 204x137 225x137 225x162
		curve 225x162 225x187 204x187
	]
	]

    fill-pen none
	pen color0
    box 10x10 389x389 44
	pen black
    box 15x15 384x384 40

    pen none line-width 0
    fill-pen linear 0x0 0.0 110.0 90.0 1.0 1.0
		255.255.255.40 255.255.255.120 255.255.255.200

    shape [move 400x80 arc 0x80 400.0 300.0 line 0x0 400x0 400x80]
    fill-pen linear 0x290 30.0 110.0 90.0 1.0 1.0
		255.255.255.255 255.255.255.192 255.255.255.128

    shape [move 0x300 arc 400x300 600.0 200.0 line 400x400 0x400 0x300]
]
view center-face layout [
	origin 0
	across

	b: box 400x400 black effect [draw image][
		file: request-file/only/save/file %rebol-icon.png
		if not file [exit]
		if not find file ".png" [append file ".png"]
        img: make image! b/size
        img2: make image! b/size
        img2/alpha: 255
		draw img2 [pen none fill-pen black box 0x0 400x400 50]
		draw img image
		img/alpha: img2/alpha
		save/png file img
	] return
	btn "Color 0" [color0: request-color/color color0 show b]
	btn "Color 1" [color1: request-color/color color1 show b]
	btn "Color 2" [color2: request-color/color color2 show b]
]

Something like that.

thx

welcome

Is SSL/https going to be supported in R3 core? I don't think the 
old "only available in pro version" will stand up any more, it is 
 essential for most web api's now.

I've got so many things I'd like to try R3 on (even in alpha state), 
unfortunately all require https

It seems reasonable, especially since the host code can add SSL if 
it likes anyways. Ask in R3 chat and you can get an official answer.

Have you tried stunnel?

stunnel not really an option since the tools will end up in the hands 
of sales people on window machines... I don't think I need to explain 
that. :-)

But I should try for my own testing. thanks for the idea.

sales people
, got it :) Otherwise you could use stunnel on Windows machines.

ssl:// updated and working 100% correctly. My vote too!

Those wanting to influence VID resizing model  - http://www.rebol.net/wiki/GUI_Face_Sizing

----  Cross-posting from DevBase -----

window: view [t: text ""]


window is set to a gob which is useless to me.  t is totally lost 
and I can't modify it.  What to do?!?

you can't modify 't outside the layout. binding stuff.

That doesn't make sense.  Code that is not specifically *in* the 
layout can't modify faces/gobs/etc???

Don't be ridiculous. 't exists somewhere - so find out where.

Ammon, you can pass 't to a function used inside the layout, if you 
want. I'm genuinely not sure where in the system the face would be 
stored as I've not encountered a situation yet where that would be 
needed.

Oh yes, looks like Ammon's right, actually. Each Face has a reference 
to its associated Gob, but the Gob does not have a reference to the 
Face. So if you only have the gob, you can't get to the face, where 
the variables like 't can be found.
Just reading the source - correct me if I'm wrong.

Yep, I remember I came across this before, and I didn't like this 
behaviour either.

It makes debugging and learning the system more difficult.

I'm not sure it does. It's not meant to be poked and hacked like 
VID can be. You go through proper channels, because the proper channels 
are actually there now. :-) Also the built in debugging functions 
can provide a lot of information.

not meant to be poked and hacked
 ===> yeah right !   :-)

Anton, the style actors, reactors SET-FACE, GET-FACE, SET-FACET and 
GET-FACET are there to affect the given face in the way it is intended 
to be, encapsulating the functionality in the right places, so no 
hacking is needed. You just create a new style with altered functionality, 
if you need it.

no hacking is needed
 - this just seems naiive.

I guess you haven't tried working with VID3.4 then.

You've obviously worked with it much more than me.

(It's obvious to me, anyway. I haven't done that much except a few 
experiments and reading here and there.)

I have, and the actors provide everything you need and you can be 
as elaborate as you need to be, process any events anywhere you like. 
There are even specific functions to override actors, in case you 
need to make a small addition to a big actor, when creating a derivative 
style. You can also create new actors. This is not much different 
from what VID3 had, except it's easier to program.

Ok, so how would you modify Ammon's example so the text facet/gob 
can be inspected ?

the question is why he wants to inspect it.