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Anton 31-Aug-2006 [1204x2] | Lots of English candidate words suffer because they don't imply copy, whereas in rebol this is important and it would be nice to distinguish between when we are copying and when we are not. |
I think you are right. FOREACH is stepping through each value of the block unevaluated, then, expecting to be able to evaluate it successfully. But what if it is a function expecting arguments ? | |
JaimeVargas 31-Aug-2006 [1206x2] | ;; New version does proper reduction delimit: func [data [block!] /reduce /quoted /with separator [string! char!] /local result quote][ if reduce [data: system/words/reduce data] unless empty? data [ result: copy {} unless with [separator: ""] quote: either quoted [ func[x][rejoin [{"} x {"}]] ][ func[x][x] ] insert result quote form first data foreach value next data [ insert insert tail result separator quote form value ] result ] ] |
;; example >> delimit/reduce/with [npa nxx square-root 4] " " ;== "703 938 2.0" | |
Anton 31-Aug-2006 [1208] | Note, if this is going to be Rebol3, then you should be able to use APPEND instead of INSERT TAIL without penalty. |
JaimeVargas 31-Aug-2006 [1209x6] | Now we need a good name. I am not sure about glue. How about CONCAT |
Another one is CHAIN | |
concatenate: verb [ trans. ] formal or technical link (things) together in a chain or series : some words may be concatenated, such that certain sounds are omitted. | |
Another optin is LINK | |
To summarize we have: REJOIN, GLUE, CONCAT, CONCATENATE, CHAIN, LINK. | |
And DELIMIT | |
Henrik 31-Aug-2006 [1215x3] | 'link? is already used, so it might be interpreted as 'link is somehow ... linked to 'link? :-) |
interpreted as if 'link is | |
weld? | |
Anton 31-Aug-2006 [1218] | Just looking at the Thesaurus: http://thesaurus.reference.com/search?q=join&x=0&y=0 Some nice words: adhere, affix, (agglutinate), cement, conjoin, fasten, fuse, leash, marry, wed, weld. |
JaimeVargas 31-Aug-2006 [1219] | Do you want the added functionality of the DELIMIT above? |
Henrik 31-Aug-2006 [1220] | jaime, yes that would be very nice |
Anton 31-Aug-2006 [1221x3] | conjoin is cool, language root are like "delimit/with" |
Ah yes, Jaime, I wanted to say "DELIMIT" lies to you when it is used without the /WITH refinement, because DELIMIT implies delimiters. If there aren't any delimiters, then it is lying. | |
So an idea I would like to explore is to split the functionality of DELIMIT into perhaps two functions. As this kind of operation is very common, I suggest that this will save lots of typing. | |
JaimeVargas 31-Aug-2006 [1224x2] | How will you split it. |
The description I have for DELIMIT is "Returns a string! constructed from the chained values in the block." | |
Anton 31-Aug-2006 [1226] | Must think about that. |
JaimeVargas 31-Aug-2006 [1227x2] | I should not that I am not attached to DELIMIT. It stated like with a different purpose, but now I see that is more generic than REJOIN. So I offer it after modifying it a bit. |
I like the CONJOIN word. | |
Anton 31-Aug-2006 [1229] | Currently we use REJOIN for most things, and sometimes we miss being able to add delimiters, after that, the next functionality is probably the quoting. |
JaimeVargas 31-Aug-2006 [1230x2] | But CONJOIN is not very common. I thinkn CONCAT will be more mnemonic for newbies. |
Picking names is very hard. I kind of like to have all the functionality cram in one function, less words to remember. So I left the naming decision to the community, just hope the features of delimit are include in R3. | |
Anton 31-Aug-2006 [1232x2] | So I would drop the /WITH refinement and make it implicit in a DELIMIT or CONJOIN function... (maybe..) 1) rejoin/quoted [...] ; <-- this is most similar to rejoin, or delimit without the /WITH 2) conjoin/quoted "," [...] ; <-- this is like delimit/with/quoted (and the non-optional "with" argument is specified first) |
I dislike CONCAT because it is an abbreviation. | |
JaimeVargas 31-Aug-2006 [1234x2] | me too, but a lot of people knows it. |
I am not sure I follow your points. | |
Anton 31-Aug-2006 [1236] | The first function, REJOIN, is like the current rebol REJOIN, except it now has your /QUOTED refinement. |
JaimeVargas 31-Aug-2006 [1237] | I don't really see the reason for splitting features of the function. |
Anton 31-Aug-2006 [1238] | The second function, CONJOIN, is like your DELIMIT, except with WITH refinement implicit. |
JaimeVargas 31-Aug-2006 [1239] | I think is better to keep Rebol's lexicon short. |
Anton 31-Aug-2006 [1240] | I think the /REDUCE refinement usually isn't needed (I could be wrong), because if you are not going to reduce the block then you already know what the result is. |
JaimeVargas 31-Aug-2006 [1241] | >> delimit [1 1 / 2 ] ; == "11/2" >> delimit/reduce [1 1 / 2] ; == "10.5" |
Anton 31-Aug-2006 [1242] | I think functions that are used very often with certain combinations of refinements ought to be split. |
JaimeVargas 31-Aug-2006 [1243] | That can be changed easily. |
Anton 31-Aug-2006 [1244] | If we make the right decisions about which functions are important enough to have their own word, we free ourselves with clearer code etc. Imagine if there was no DO function, but that functionality was a refinement of LOAD or REDUCE ---> We would write REDUCE/DO all the time. |
JaimeVargas 31-Aug-2006 [1245] | The default behaviour could be to reduce. |
Anton 31-Aug-2006 [1246] | That might be an idea. Closer to current rebol behaviour too. |
JaimeVargas 31-Aug-2006 [1247] | delimit [1 1 / 2] ;== "10.5" delimit/literal [1 1 / 2] ;== "11/2" |
Anton 31-Aug-2006 [1248x2] | Yes, I think that's better. That refinement is the "weakest" of the three. |
Please excuse me if I'm a little hazy today. Feeling a bit quantum mechanical today. | |
Tomc 31-Aug-2006 [1250] | I like 'conjoin |
Henrik 31-Aug-2006 [1251] | anton, don't go phase into higher dimensions jus yet. :-) |
Anton 31-Aug-2006 [1252] | it is ... too late... for me... |
Pekr 31-Aug-2006 [1253] | but then also think about form vs reform |
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