World: r3wp

I understand you, I am not frustrated about R3 because I don't wait 
for it ... R2 is the product for me , I at this time only care for 
what I can with some certanty use in production and R2 has tons of 
libs, examples, cheyenne .. and as a language it's also more interesting 
and hides more stuff that I can comprehend so exploring what can 
be done with R2 is still exciting to me.

If I had more free time I would probably also be more active in R3 
(at least bitching about it :) but I am at the stage where I need 
to produce stuff .. and I am happy I can use rebol for this

R3 doesn't bore me that's just a bad image sent to the word in the 
way it's done that's all. Look before even doing a single thing a 
big company like apple or microsoft start by promoting it giving 
the  features the roadmap the developpers inside point of view etc 
...

on teh r3 project we really feel that's is like a river the flow 
goes and you never see from where it commes and where it goes

So then knowing if a bug you find in R3 lastest release is already 
known or already solved is hard

yes, I understand that... I was waiting for R3 for years ( I just 
used rebol for smaller stuff here and there at that time ) and frankly 
I was sure R3 is vaporware.. it's a 1 man design process with benefits 
of it and also limitations

and you see some things not advancing for long time like unicode 
support (i'm not even sure that will be a profit to r3 well as i'm 
an idiot i'm certainly wrong on this point)

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MS would do it other way.. but they would still need one guy with 
some crazy ideas that actually work and produce something special.. 
and even as big as they are they don't have it.. C# is a copy of 
Java, F# is a copy of OCaml ..

If I were waiting for R3 I would be in an uncertain position too, 
but as Pekr said .. if you have some time you can participate more 
actively probably

denefits would be since there is only one guy with the vision of 
what he wants and how he wants it the creation process will go smoothly 
but the thing is that since the past years the R3 is started many 
 ideas in R3 have been changed a lot of time (like VID)  abd bothing 
ensure us that in the month comming another idea will pop and so 
one making R3 a never ended project

that's how creative processes go.. you have to throw away stuff and 
go with the flow .. if he wouldn't I am sure rebol would be another 
python/ruby ...

I mean it's normal for a program to evolve but it''s not normal to 
be stuck in the first stable output

My theory is that thats why MS can't create great langs .. because 
the sole designer can design it and they have the resources to make 
the thing that was designed quickly ... but upfront design doesn't 
work.. itterative inline design works IMHO

you can always feel a program is not ended but can a program handle 
all the functionalities of now in day computer.

jano no MS vision is rather simplier than that and it's resumed by 
the vision of Bill Gates :"Poor artists invents great artists copies" 
why to invent things when you can simply make billion in inspiring 
from the open source community

it's an alpha stage... :) it's officially not meant to (to your previous 
line)

but eve then it would be better in my opinion that most of the people 
are aware of what's going on how would R3 make it's better for them

janko yes it's in alpha stage and alpha stage is not to be stayed 
for ever stage  ^_^

plus no one knows if in the 2 years to come Carl would have a totally 
different feeling on what he wants rebol to do

Look , I understand you.. nobody can give any guarantees when will 
R3 be "done" and if you wait , it can become desperate .. but there 
is progress being made 7 version in 9 days of april, new docs, blogposts 
from carl discussing his thoughts.. etc

So if that's to have 60 R3 alpha than Carl anounce that R3  is being 
too complicated and need to evolve deeply into R4 ...

R3 will no even be born ...

that is of course possible :)

I will have to go now

ok bye

...

does anyone know.. can R3 http protocol code or info about this be 
seen anywhere .. upthere it was said that it's up to community to 
make new protocols, I can't be sure that I will be able to make any 
but I am interested in this stuff and maybe eventually something 
comes up
...

bye .. even if R3 were done today I couldn't use it.. I need cheyenne, 
I need SQLITE, PDF... :)  .. I watched the guido van rossum (python 
maker) keynote on pycon09 last week and he spent 20 minutes ranting 
that people should start using python 3000 slowly (the new - bigger 
changes version) .. in rebol at least community is anctious to start 
with R3 :)

Janko, yes, it's available in devbase.

(well maybe he spent whole talk, because I stopped watching at 20min... 
it was boring a little)

what is devbase (sory .. I am not totally updated) , is this public?

do you use chat?

I haven't already.. but I have the latest r3 on my desktop

ok, to get the protocol in a few steps: start r3, type "chat". type 
"more 3365"

do I need to NEW-USER ?

yes registration is open

I'm not sure. You should be able to work as guest.

just give a nick and a pass

but registration is free, as shadwolf says

*off-line* guest:>> more 3365
--- Note: select a message topic

(this is what I got)

What happens if you type " f "http.r" " ?

PeterWood:R3/GUI/General>> more 3365

 ** Script error: submit-of? does not allow none! for its fid argument

 ** Where: case all submit-of? case what-file? more-file parse try 
 either either forever command-loop make context do catch applier 
 do try chat
** Near: case [

    is-submit? msg [msg]

    is-name? msg [submit-of?..
.

--- Note: unexpected error logged to error-log.txt

*off-line* guest:>> f "http.r"
--- Note: no messages

interesting. try "n"

PeterWood, are you logged in? Which platform?

I created a user and logined now.. it says it's fetching messages

Yes
Mac OS X

It works okay if you are at the top level

aha now it work .. but I don't have the cappability yet

jankoM:>> more 3365
--- Note: jumping to topic 26
--- Note: downloading: 03366

*** RebDev Error: your account does not have that capability yet 
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