World: r3wp

I am reviewing the module system now (well, not right now since I 
am working). We have tried to balance simplicity and security, but 
I think the way we did that balance is to have two extremes which 
you can choose between with one refinement. I'm checking whether 
the simplicity extreme is too insecure, and whether the security 
extreme is too difficult to use.

The reason I am checking this now is because it is time to backport 
the module system to R2. The code is pretty easy (and mostly written) 
- the design issues are not. Since you've written a module system, 
your input may be valuable.

There will be changes to the R2 version of the module system due 
to the global context, but even that can be balanced.

this can be a big discussion... want to do so privately?

cause all I've read of the R3 engine, slim already handles a part 
from actual enforcing of the privacy.

it acutally does a lot more.

Yeah, let's not dump the details on everyone until we have some common 
ground :)

my input can be on what I did and didn't end up using afte 7 years... 
some features sound great on paper, but then don't really get you 
more productive and some features I've never used myself.

It's funny to see Carl wondering why there is not more requests related 
to the use of external libraries in R3.
Not so funny in fact.

If that feature, had not been discarded in R3, perhaps there would 
be more tries and more requests.

Not discarded, scheduled for a redesign. R2's FFI is really bad.

But it worked, Better to have something bad working instead of nothing 
at all

i can't do test about something vanished

Alpha. And the new model won't be compatible, though there is a proposal 
to make a plgin that implements a variant of the R2 FFI.

But Steeve is right - I had to correct Carl - the motives were quite 
different: some few weeks ago, he said that we should write it down. 
Once done, he said he tried to design plug-in interface, and got 
some issues with dynamic code like draw. So he worked on another 
proposition. I asked for more info, but he said he will release it 
later, because it had wider consequences ...

so ... now might be correct time for him to post some ideas :-)

Actually, the issues he had with Draw were with the host interface 
design, not the plugin intterface design.

Did we ever reach a conclusion about Rebol scripts .. and to distinguish 
R3 vs R2 scripts?

rebol3 [ ] or using a 'needs ?

Needs.

Which has been expanded to also import modules.

Does R2 recognise the 'needs ?

The version part, yes.

I also use .r3 extension

There's nothing enforced about that, but it's good practice, and 
file association friendly.

I use about 10 different rebol extensions already...  10 more for 
R3 version   ;-)

aren't those numeric r extensions used by rar ??

.r03

They 0-pad.

RAR already switched to another naming convention, so we should still 
be good by the time REBOL 10 comes out :)

that's very reassuring.

we should skip R4 and go directly to R10  or should it be ... RX 
 ;-)

The prescription for what ails your systems? :)

are the linux versions generally as up-to-date than the windows ones?

More or less. The linux and osx versions are much more alpha than 
the windows versions. Lots of missing functionality.

' :-(

There's lots of missing functionality on windows too, just different 
stuff. Windows is the primary platform until the host code gets released, 
which should be soon now.

This is what I get when I try to upgrade on my Ubuntu 8.10 box:

>> upgrade
Fetching upgrade check ...

Script: "REBOL 3.0 Version Upgrade" Version: 1.0.0 Date: 7-Apr-2009
Checking for updates...

R3 current version: 2.100.54.4.2 
It was released on: 16-May-2009/22:45:17 

You need to update R3.
Download new release? yes
Downloading...
** Access error: protocol error: "Timeout"

** Note: use WHY? for more about this error

>> why?
Opening web browser...
Couldnt get a file descriptor referring to the console
>>

Try it again - the server may have been busy. The HTTP scheme isn't 
as good as one would like yet.

Still no success. Could be my Internet connection, which has been 
horrible lately.

Works for me, but I'm on Windows so platform differences may apply 
:(

** Access error: protocol error: "Timeout"

Have you tried downloading manually from the web site? There were 
problems in a53 with permissions. That would be a different error 
on Windows, buut who knows?

rebol.com?

Please keep trying. It may time out 10 times in a row and then it 
comes.

http://www.rebol.com/r3/downloads.html

Thanks, Brian. Done.

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http://www.rebol.net/r3blogs/0206.html

Details about R3 plugins.

posted some questions to blog article ....

So, you're asking if the plugin model will still follow the initial 
stated base requirements for a plugin model? :)