World: r3wp

I see that the en wikipedia has an article on verbatim strings in 
PHP under "here document" which in PHP documents for print and echo 
is acalled the "here document" syntax (of course PHP calls print 
and echo constructs and not functions or procedures ... ) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Here_document

My PHP page has no escaped characters becuase I can use the so-called 
"here document syntax".  That is critcal for my templating needs. 
 If your templating will only be done by rebol developers, it is 
of course a moot point: Rebol developers do not need heredocs/  But 
are all users of rebol going to be rebol developers?  That is the 
dialect issue.  And in the case of PHP (jsut an example) many PHP 
users are not PHP developers.  The wiki page has examples from python 
or ruby if the mention of PHP offends purists .. ;-)

not to vex, I hope, but I just saw that PHP 5.3.0 added so-called 
"now docs" which are what I call literal strings or verbaibm strings 
in that no substitiutions occur so no escaping is done.  I believe 
this how at least comment {should behave in R3 if I use a { as in 
just print {this} { to get the effect you want }  which comment is 
not the same which has to explain that you do whis without the escapes 
- which is fine if thosei are the only and very  escapes in question 
...

The PHP restriction on HEREDOC and NOWDOC is that the closing identifier 
( a label, if you like) must appear after a nl and there must be 
ONLY a nl immediatly after its ; terminator  - a restriction  which 
seems not at all onerous in practice now that I am using them

In Firebird's sql language, we can specify the delimiter and then 
restore it  after dealing with a bunch of code/text.

Wouldn't that be more useful?

It would.

Tried R2 vs R3 call (R2 used using /output refinement):


1) "icacls c:\windows" - R3 call returns output, but you have to 
press enter to get back to console prompt - why?

2) "dir c:\windows" - R2 works, R3 returns following error - why?

>> call "dir c:\windows"

** Access error: external process failed: "Systém nemùže nalézt uvedený 
soubor.^
M^/"
** Where: call
** Near: call "dir c:\windows"

The Czech error message translated: "System can't find specified 
file"

Works beautifully in linux R3 2.100.76.4.2 :
	call "ls -l user.r"

do you need to press enter, after the output is returned?

No need for me to press enter.
Pekr, is your error true for all types of files?
Is capitalization a problem here? (try capital "C:".)

Are you on Vista, isn't the "windows" directory a protected system 
directory - perhaps that's causing an issue.

Vista, 32 bit. No difference with capitalisation ... I will try with 
fresh console ...

dir C:\
 - no difference ...

it does not seem to know Dir - maybe a path lookup problem?

Try just "dir".

Try other commands: call "cmd" ...

hehe, interesting - I run call "cmd.exe" and now I seem to get the 
mixture of windows shell and rebol one or so? :-) REBOL history is 
gone, when I try print "ahoy", it returns czech message, telling 
me PRN can't be initialised :-)

Cmd invaded your rebol shell.

Calling just "dir" returns still the same message ...

Use "exit" to get out - (I hope).

cmd  invaded
 - is that correct and/or desired behaviour?

Probably, I wouldn't worry about it.

>> print "aaa"
Zaøízení PRN nelze zinicializovat.

c:\!rebol\altme\worlds\r3-gui\files\rebdev>dir c:\
** Script error: dir has no value


>> exit

the strange thing, that once being in cmd console, dir c:\ did not 
worked and returned "dir has no value" message ...

hmm, maybe we have few bugs to haunt in this area ...

That's a rebol error message, obviously, not a cmd one.

yes, but at that time, I was in CMD shell, no?

Press Windows key + R, then type "cmd" and enter.

what do you want me to try? that dir works in normal shell? It does, 
I tried ...

I don't know if you were in a cmd shell or a rebol one (!)

(Start with a fresh rebol console.)

Try   call "start dir"

Fresh R3 console, typing call "dir", getting still the same error

the same for "start dir"

Try   call "cmd dir"

>> call "cmd dir"
== none

>> Microsoft Windows [Verze 6.0.6001]

Copyright (c) 2006 Microsoft Corporation. Všechna práva vyhrazena.

c:\!rebol\altme\worlds\r3-gui\files\rebdev>

boots me in the cmd shell imo ...

but in that shell, dir returns script error message about dir having 
no value ...

ah, consecutive call works, interesting ...

>> call "cmd dir"
== none

>> Microsoft Windows [Verze 6.0.6001]

Copyright (c) 2006 Microsoft Corporation. Všechna práva vyhrazena.

c:\!rebol\altme\worlds\r3-gui\files\rebdev>dir
** Script error: dir has no value


>> dir
 Svazek v jednotce C nemá žádnou jmenovku.
 Sériové èíslo svazku je 0054-60D0.

 Výpis adresáøe c:\!rebol\altme\worlds\r3-gui\files\rebdev

13.08.2009  12:12    <DIR>          .
13.08.2009  12:12    <DIR>          ..
02.07.2009  15:38    <DIR>          base

Hmm.. weird, looks like one line is taken by cmd, the next is taken 
by rebol.

(I mean the other order..)

so:

1) call "cmd dir" boots me into cmd shell - notice single >
2) calling dir there boots me back to ... where? Notice >>
3) then mysteriously dir works from there ...

Ok, I would avoid calling cmd directly in rebol. I just wanted to 
know if anything could be successfully called.

if that would be e.g. path problem, then for e.g. calling icacls 
would not work, but it works ... any other cmd commands to try?

I have forgotten how to get the path in windows console, is it
	echo %PATH
?

and to get and set the current directory. CD ?

Anton: my comment may be dismissive, but the point I'm making is 
that that is just my opinion, I'm not sure why I should be forced 
to "like" a heredoc syntax :) I understand that it is very handy 
on occasions, but the price is a ugly script, which I'd rather not 
pay if I can avoid it easily enough (for example, if I were generating 
a lot of PHP or JS, I would just build a dialect to do that, instead 
of using strings). Again, though it's funny for me to have to repeat 
it again and again, this is just IMHO, Robert should be free to do 
things his own way, and if REBOL can provide a syntax for heredocs 
without creating other problems I'm fine - I'll just avoid it (and 
I'll hope not many people start using it ;)