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REBOL sounds boyish because its a bad typo of Rebel.

I think changing the name is going to severely add confusion to what 
it is that Carl is trying to sell people/developers. 

For one, it's not likely to help getting old REBOLers back in the 
fold. We would have to waste a large amount of time explaining the 
relationship between REBOL and <whatever name>. Probably much more 
than we realize.


REBOL 2 and REBOL 3 are understandable immediately in the same sense 
that PHP4 and PHP5 are.


What would happen if Microsoft renamed DirectX or if Javascript changed 
to a new name? Confusion. Nothing more.

Erlang sounds technical and boring, but is OK. IDL sounds like the 
government made it.

it really gives out the impression that you are out to "teach people 
a lesson" and very few people in an ego filled space like programming 
responds well to that.

The word Rebel is boyish - the typo just sounds like it came from 
a tech company (everyone does it).

Forth is so named because in 1968 "[t]he file holding the interpreter 
was labeled FOURTH, for 4th (next) generation software Ñ but the 
IBM 1130 operating system restricted file names to 5 characters."
:-)

try telling you sysadmin that you know better than him.... and watch 
your account space be reduce by 50%.... if he had a bad day make 
that 1byte more than its current size  ;-)

Programming is a boyish field - Peter Pan style, keeping your creativity 
and edge by never getting old.

I'd prefer it being REALLY blunt... then its funny.... maybe we could 
rename REBOL to "Fanboy"  ;-D

pekr would be our king  ;-)

The perceived problem with the name REBOL, is that it's very over 
exposed. Count the number of times you see REBOL, REBOL, REBOL, REBOL 
in capitals from the time you download R2 to the time you are fiddling 
around in the Viewtop. Too much exposure of the name. But it's because 
Carl is proud of the name. Tone it down for R3 and we'll be fine.


Some people think REBOL is a derivative of ALGOL or COBOL, but that's 
a separate issue.

Javascript has the same problem with Java.

If Carl wanna change it, it would be interesting to know, what motive 
he has for changing it.

Carl never liked the name... it was imposed to him by the marketing 
dept when he was still a startup. IIRC

in the days when RT was actually a company with 30 employees

Really? I don't get that impression in conversations with him. (We've 
talked alot about being rebellious and using camouflage colors)

Heard a great line, don't remember from where: "Java has as much 
to do with JavaScript as Ham has to do with Hamster"

:-)

(paraphrased)

:-D

It's kinda strange, they got along with calling it JavaScript. I 
would think, Sun would be able to stop it somehow.

Should we try make DirectXScript? ;-)

Of course it should have nothing to do with DirectX, but be the link 
between iPhone apps and Amiga ... or something.

call it DirectScript  :-)

Can ActiveScripting languages call DirectX? I would think so...

sanskript  in relation to zen ?  :-)

:-)

Dharma

Call it R as in R3...we'll always know what it means....


It worked for C and there was also an E script language on the Amiga

it already exists... its a statistical language

ARR, then. Pirate language.

hahaha  that would really sit in well with MIS... hahaha  


 "looks guys... we've got a process called pirate.exe"... think its 
 a hacker?
response...
No ... he'd be too stupid to use a name like that!
  

;-)

Then name it after a real (and/or legendary) pirate.....drumroll.....Alvilda
http://towim.denmasters.com/rp/alvilda/pirate.htm
(Contorted acronym available later)

Maxim - where do you come up with such info that Carl is open to 
renaming REBOL? I can't see anything like that floating around ... 
the REBOL rename is total nonsense and anyone claiming otherwise 
should take some marketing pills ...

REBOL-SIG altme group... mid-august

doh... I meant 
REBOL-SIG Qtask project

REBOL being written in capital is another nonsense spread by many 
...

If it is true, I might be out from this community. This is really 
totally non-professional aproach. REBOL's problems lay completly 
elsewhere, not  in the name itself. If Carl can't see it, noone can 
help the situation ...

Why do we come up with new names? Just search the blogs. Search R3-alpha 
altme group. Carl always teases community with similar topic, then 
I put some effort into collecting all possible names, post it several 
time to him ... just to see NO SIGLE response or decision ... this 
is really tiresome ...

not saying its a priority Pekr.  REBOL's name is something that has 
plagued it since its inception.  It doesn't look cool, many don't 
even know how to pronounce it, and to top it off, the capital letters 
is total non-sense I agree too.

Carl is aware of the other problems, but that doesn't mean we should 
ignore the marketing situation. Still, I like the name REBOL.

Its Carl which is adamant about it being spelled in uppercase.

No, it was always RT's marketing mistakes, which plagues it from 
the very beginning. The world was open and tried to look at what 
is REBOL about back then ...

If you want to know what happens after the reaname, just ask me - 
completly nothing ...

I would love we write is without caps.  its much less aggressive... 
maybe a big part of the tiresome nature of the name and even its 
association to COBOL and others is just because of that.

Rebol then? I tend to use R2 and R3 in conversation with people who 
know we are talking about Rebol...

CIO which can't read REBOL instead of COBOL is not CIO, but an idiot 
:-) Young ppl,  potentially new users, even hardly know, what the 
COBOL is ...

Of course the name might matter, but I would like us to not think 
it will cure our marketing problems?

I consider it to be a weakness of decisive capability, if your product 
changes name, because you've found something better. What does that 
not tell you about the language, if you change the name?

no one said it will *fix* marketing.  Its just something that feels 
like a splinter once you start using it.