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Gabriele 22-May-2007 [2246x2] | so you just write a wrapper task: func [header body] [make task! reduce [header body]] |
if you look at it this way... i'd actually want it to not support the above example at all. | |
Pekr 22-May-2007 [2248] | ok, so then take my note for the discussions .... pekr did not like task syntax :-) |
Gabriele 22-May-2007 [2249] | :) |
Pekr 22-May-2007 [2250] | btw - could scheme be seens as a "class" for port? |
Gabriele 22-May-2007 [2251] | yes, i think carl described it exactly like that. |
Pekr 22-May-2007 [2252x2] | or is scheme different things? It seems to me it contains mostly definitions? |
aha, ok .... at some point, Carl blogged about classes/objects in R3, but maybe I am confused? What happened to that concept? IIRC it was related to some low level stuff, to save memory or something like that ... | |
Gabriele 22-May-2007 [2254x2] | carl hasn't mentioned that at the devcon. |
imho it's not really that important once you have user types. | |
Pekr 22-May-2007 [2256x2] | was it that one? http://www.rebol.net/r3blogs/0035.html |
we will have user types? | |
Gabriele 22-May-2007 [2258] | yes... carl said he had some issues while implementing them |
Pekr 22-May-2007 [2259x3] | implementing what? classes, or custom user types? |
if we will have custom user types, isn't it what you wanted? :-) | |
I am sure you will not like following, but I would rename mutex - that is typical IT related term, which makes sense to programmers, but which has no particular meaning to me. Why not 'lock? or anyting else? | |
Sunanda 22-May-2007 [2262] | Mutex is an ugly term. But it is precise. Lock could mean several things, including shared locks rather than exclusive locks. |
Gabriele 22-May-2007 [2263] | custom user types (question above) |
Gregg 22-May-2007 [2264] | Semaphore? Longer, I know. |
Pekr 22-May-2007 [2265] | Semaphore sounds more logical .... it at least means something .... |
Maxim 23-May-2007 [2266x2] | and most amiga coders already know about what it means ;-) |
which is probably about 95% of rebolers, I guess. | |
Henrik 23-May-2007 [2268x2] | well, I used Amiga Basic once... |
not exactly the pinnacle of programming :-) | |
Rebolek 23-May-2007 [2270] | the one by Microsoft, distributed with OS1.3? :) |
Henrik 23-May-2007 [2271x2] | yes |
that was before I hated Microsoft, but I couldn't understand quite, why my old C64 had a faster Basic | |
sqlab 23-May-2007 [2273] | If 95% of rebol user are really former Amigans, then it is sad. This looks as if they have chosen Rebol just because of the merits of Carl S for the Amiga and his popularity under the Amiga users . |
Pekr 23-May-2007 [2274] | sqlab - maybe that is why REBOL did not get popular enough - the Amiga curse :-) |
Gregg 23-May-2007 [2275] | I'm not an Amigan, though I do have one book on 3D graphics programming in Amiga BASIC, and I have a good friend who had an Amiga and a Video Toaster. I didn't know who Carl was until I found REBOL. |
sqlab 23-May-2007 [2276] | That's the same for me. I came to Rebol looking for an easy solution to a communication project. |
btiffin 23-May-2007 [2277] | Ditto on Greggs statement, almost exactly, (except for the book part) |
Maxim 23-May-2007 [2278] | I was just joking btw :-) REBOL just attracts a lot of Amigans, on its own merits. Most of these are FORMER amigans, who liked the simplicity of amiga's design. |
BrianH 23-May-2007 [2279] | Never did get the chance to use the Amiga. Admired it from afar, mostly based on magazine articles about its internals. |
BrianW 23-May-2007 [2280] | My story is about the same as BrianH's. Really wanted an Amiga, read up on it a lot. By the time I could afford one (busboys don't make a lot of money) the Amiga was obviously done for. |
Geomol 23-May-2007 [2281] | I understand, that REBOL3 won't be 100% compatible with earlier versions, so some scripts will eventually crash. I also understand the reasons for this decision, the urge to get everything as 'right' as possible, that the language concept for REBOL is so inventing as it is, etc. But for larger projects, developers making libraries etc., this is not a good thing. Are there any plans around this problem for the future? Maybe compatibility modules is a possibility? Or will that be very hard to do, because it might lead to a mixture of old and new code? |
BrianW 23-May-2007 [2282] | I imagine combatibility libraries would have to come from 3rd parties. RT is distracted enough as it is |
Pekr 23-May-2007 [2283x3] | Geomol - let's really forget the compatibility for now ... |
and - I would like to see proposed improvements to library interfacing. Once interface is convenient, why should it change? | |
Or do you mean rebol code library? Not external dlls? | |
Geomol 23-May-2007 [2286] | REBOL code libraries, pure REBOL projects, etc. |
btiffin 23-May-2007 [2287] | Geomol. The library team will do its best to screen (perhaps retrofit) library entries. This is coming Real Soon Now. And I'm one of the volunteers for grunt work. |
Geomol 23-May-2007 [2288x2] | If Carl can deliver of the things, I see in his presentations, I could image me starting bigger projects in REBOL, building libraries, etc. I would like to know, if those things will run, when REBOL4 is out. |
*deliver on the things* | |
Pekr 23-May-2007 [2290] | R4 :-) |
Geomol 23-May-2007 [2291x3] | A solution to the problem could be to make a kind of cross-compiler between versions of REBOL. Maybe that isn't possible in all situations with this avanced language, I'm not sure. |
*advanced* | |
One of the things, I really don't like as a developer, is to get code to work again, which I've already tested and had running in an earlier version (of the language or OS or library or whatever). (A lot of this is going on, when developing for the Windows platform.) | |
btiffin 23-May-2007 [2294] | Ideas are in the works to alleviate as much of this as possible. Stay tuned. It is not a non-issue, and will be thought through. Opinions, complaints, suggestions appreciated. I think the Libary Team forum is good for that, but so is this one, as well as Core. |
BrianH 23-May-2007 [2295] | Geomol, the planned strategy for backwards compatibility with REBOL 2 is to not have REBOL 2 cease to exist when REBOL 3 comes out. |
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