World: r3wp

carl hasn't mentioned that at the devcon.

imho it's not really that important once you have user types.

was it that one? http://www.rebol.net/r3blogs/0035.html

we will have user types?

yes... carl said he had some issues while implementing them

implementing what? classes, or custom user types?

if we will have custom user types, isn't it what you wanted? :-)

I am sure you will not like following, but I would rename mutex - 
that is typical IT related term, which makes sense to programmers, 
but which has no particular meaning to me.  Why not 'lock? or anyting 
else?

Mutex is an ugly term. But it is precise. Lock could mean several 
things, including shared locks rather than exclusive locks.

custom user types (question above)

Semaphore? Longer, I know.

Semaphore sounds more logical .... it at least means something ....

and most amiga coders already know about what it means ;-)

which is probably about 95% of rebolers, I guess.

well, I used Amiga Basic once...

not exactly the pinnacle of programming :-)

the one by Microsoft, distributed with OS1.3? :)

yes

that was before I hated Microsoft, but I couldn't understand quite, 
why my old C64 had a faster Basic

If 95% of rebol user are really former Amigans, then it is sad. This 
looks as if they have chosen Rebol just because of  the merits of 
Carl S for the Amiga and his popularity under the Amiga users .

sqlab - maybe that is why REBOL did not get popular enough - the 
Amiga curse :-)

I'm not an Amigan, though I do have one book on 3D graphics programming 
in Amiga BASIC, and I have a good friend who had an Amiga and a Video 
Toaster. I didn't know who Carl was until I found REBOL.

That's the same for me. I came to Rebol looking for an easy solution 
to a communication project.

Ditto on Greggs statement, almost exactly, (except for the book part)

I was just joking btw :-)  REBOL just attracts a lot of Amigans, 
on its own merits.  Most of these are FORMER amigans, who liked the 
simplicity of amiga's design.

Never did get the chance to use the Amiga. Admired it from afar, 
mostly based on magazine articles about its internals.

My story is about the same as BrianH's. Really wanted an Amiga, read 
up on it a lot. By the time I could afford one (busboys don't make 
a lot of money) the Amiga was obviously done for.

I understand, that REBOL3 won't be 100% compatible with earlier versions, 
so some scripts will eventually crash. I also understand the reasons 
for this decision, the urge to get everything as 'right' as possible, 
that the language concept for REBOL is so inventing as it is, etc. 
But for larger projects, developers making libraries etc., this is 
not a good thing. Are there any plans around this problem for the 
future? Maybe compatibility modules is a possibility? Or will that 
be very hard to do, because it might lead to a mixture of old and 
new code?

I imagine combatibility libraries would have to come from 3rd parties. 
RT is distracted enough as it is

Geomol - let's really forget the compatibility for now ...

and - I would like to see proposed improvements to library interfacing. 
Once interface is convenient, why should it change?

Or do you mean rebol code library? Not external dlls?

REBOL code libraries, pure REBOL projects, etc.

Geomol.  The library team will do its best to screen (perhaps retrofit) 
library entries.

This is coming Real Soon Now.  And I'm one of the volunteers for 
grunt work.

If Carl can deliver of the things, I see in his presentations, I 
could image me starting bigger projects in REBOL, building libraries, 
etc. I would like to know, if those things will run, when REBOL4 
is out.

*deliver on the things*

R4 :-)

A solution to the problem could be to make a kind of cross-compiler 
between versions of REBOL. Maybe that isn't possible in all situations 
with this avanced language, I'm not sure.

*advanced*

One of the things, I really don't like as a developer, is to get 
code to work again, which I've already tested and had running in 
an earlier version (of the language or OS or library or whatever). 
(A lot of this is going on, when developing for the Windows platform.)

Ideas are in the works to alleviate as much of this as possible. 
 Stay tuned.  It is not

a non-issue, and will be thought through.  Opinions, complaints, 
suggestions

appreciated.  I think the Libary Team forum is good for that, but 
so is this one, as well 
as Core.

Geomol, the planned strategy for backwards compatibility with REBOL 
2 is to not have REBOL 2 cease to exist when REBOL 3 comes out.

If you choose to upgrade to 3, then cool. Otherwise, 2 will still 
be there. Still, conversion shouldn't be too difficult, even automatically. 
You'd be surprised at how similar R2 and R3 are on the surface language 
level.

I do hope they get parallel versions working right, and then update 
2 to fit. That would make it easier to work with multiple versions.

Brian - are you in 1.June group of early release developers?

How would I know? Noone has told me either way.

I couldn't make it to DevCon, even remotely. I'm still waiting for 
the material from the talks, though Carl's seems cool.

Brian.  Check the DevCon group.  Videos are posted.

And Carl's presentations are online as REBOL script aswell. (The 
slides.)

Those I've seen. R3 looks interesting. Hopefully I can figure out 
how to download the streams, as my download manager's RTSP support 
seems to be more specific to RealPlayer streams. I can't hear them 
right now - I'm in a server room - so I must download them for later.