World: r3wp
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ICarii 2-Jun-2007 [3207] | great :) That means we wont have to explain changing cursors to users who try to resize windows :) |
Pekr 2-Jun-2007 [3208] | great, but not flexible ... my idea was the amiga way - simply having some place is system structure, whatever, with ability to define any size "sprite" plus its sensing area ... would be good for TV-like apps. |
ICarii 2-Jun-2007 [3209] | not so good for window edge boundaries tho - you'd get nasty cursor flicker |
Pekr 2-Jun-2007 [3210] | then we definitely need to HIDE default kursor, or simply kiosk like apps will not be easily possible |
ICarii 2-Jun-2007 [3211x2] | perhaps a hide cursor option and display a custom cursor for full screen apps like tv apps |
yes | |
Gabriele 2-Jun-2007 [3213] | OS code i mean Open Source code so you guys can make it do whatever you want |
ICarii 2-Jun-2007 [3214] | well that is useful indeed |
Gabriele 2-Jun-2007 [3215] | for details of how it's done (not sure it's there yet) ask cyphre. |
Pekr 2-Jun-2007 [3216] | is View fully open source? Or what actually is open source? |
Gabriele 2-Jun-2007 [3217] | yes. |
Pekr 2-Jun-2007 [3218] | btw - I saw "IDE" mentioned in Carl's slides. What had Carl in mind in regards to IDE? Was it IDE integration? (e.g. Eclipse) or simply IDE/form builder? |
Gabriele 2-Jun-2007 [3219] | we haven't talked about that. he surely wants a vid builder similar to layout.r |
Pekr 2-Jun-2007 [3220] | hmm, and no fear Ruby guys will take it and link somehow to ruby? :-) Well, they would still need even rebol, but that is not bad plan either .... they will link View and Rebol, later on realising, they don't need Ruby at all :-) |
Gabriele 2-Jun-2007 [3221x2] | they can already take AGG and link to it. |
and it's good if they link to rebol.dll :) | |
Pekr 2-Jun-2007 [3223] | That would be good. But I also agree with your opinion, that if auto-layouter is good enough, it can actually do better job than some designers :-) |
Gabriele 2-Jun-2007 [3224] | as you say... they'll stop using ruby if they do ;) |
Pekr 2-Jun-2007 [3225] | Gabriele - they linked already to it! They have bounties for projects and they don't hesitate to call it Rebol/View clone! It took 3rd place. Then I saw, how author was disappointed, linking to AGG, how slow it was :-) |
ICarii 2-Jun-2007 [3226] | nothing like the real thing :) |
Pekr 2-Jun-2007 [3227] | hmm, if View is small GUI toolkit, I wonder if there is a way, how other languages could benefit from that? :-) Tk, GTK, qt, /View :-) |
Gabriele 2-Jun-2007 [3228x2] | well... view is mainly compositor built on AGG. i don't think it's interesting for those guys. |
the interesting part is the rebol part - ie vid, the rich text dialect, the draw dialect and so on. | |
ICarii 2-Jun-2007 [3230] | gabriele - does R3 have a multiline comment ability - or is it still single line? |
Gabriele 2-Jun-2007 [3231x3] | rebol's mulitline comments are just done with a multiline string |
eg. comment { ... } | |
or just { ... } most of the times. | |
ICarii 2-Jun-2007 [3234] | yeah thats what i normally do but it gets messy with large code blocks that actually use multi-line strings |
Gabriele 2-Jun-2007 [3235] | usually { { { } } } works well :) |
ICarii 2-Jun-2007 [3236x2] | lol |
point taken :) | |
Gabriele 2-Jun-2007 [3238] | otherwise, just use a editor that can comment many lines with a single keystroke :P |
ICarii 2-Jun-2007 [3239] | was thinking mainly for when we get an IDE and want to do code block folding etc. |
Geomol 2-Jun-2007 [3240] | Good to know, the alpha is out there somewhere! That was needed, a deliver on a previous said date. I'm looking forward to see some of it in the next month or two. |
Pekr 2-Jun-2007 [3241x2] | so, Geomol was a bad guy too :-) |
no, dunno why - wiki imo sucks ... lots of unneeded stuff around ... | |
Gabriele 2-Jun-2007 [3243x3] | that depends on who writes them... |
but... | |
you want open documentation... you have to pay the price for openness :) | |
Pekr 2-Jun-2007 [3246] | Gabriele - re docs translation - that needs some organisation too. Imagine View doc. It is a very good doc, right? Now someone want to translate it, and he/she does so. Then someone does some tweaks/additions, changes to it. So - how translators are notified about it, to not actually need to look thru all doc for what changed? |
Gabriele 2-Jun-2007 [3247x2] | ah, mediawiki does that. |
you can get notifications for anything. | |
Cyphre 2-Jun-2007 [3249] | Hi guys..just to confirm R3 alpha is real: http://www.rebol.cz/~cyphre/stuff/r3-alpha-splash.jpg |
Pekr 2-Jun-2007 [3250x2] | Cyphre - cool, but I can see some white spots there .... the engine is buggy - what are the words behind the white color? :-)) |
I would like to know more about "what" actually is a rebol executable now? How does the set-up look like? Is it some kind of rebol.exe loader, which loads rebol.dll? What about View then? Or is it packaged, so that everything is still inside of rebol.exe? | |
Gabriele 2-Jun-2007 [3252x2] | it will be packaged. |
currently we have rebhost.exe (which contains agg compositor) linking to rebol.dll | |
Pekr 2-Jun-2007 [3254] | rebhost.exe? Weird name. Hope it will become rebol.exe, once stable and fully released :-) |
Gabriele 2-Jun-2007 [3255x2] | ah, name is just because this is the host for the dll :) ie rebol interpreted is an embeddable library... and it's always embedded into some host application |
the public release will just be rebol.exe, without external dll and so on. developers instead can download the dll, and embed it in their app, or customize the default host for their needs and so on. | |
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