World: r3wp

not so good for window edge boundaries tho - you'd get nasty cursor 
flicker

then we definitely need to HIDE default kursor, or simply kiosk like 
apps will not be easily possible

perhaps a hide cursor option and display a custom cursor for full 
screen apps like tv apps

yes

OS code i mean Open Source code so you guys can make it do whatever 
you want

well that is useful indeed

for details of how it's done (not sure it's there yet) ask cyphre.

is View fully open source? Or what actually is open source?

yes.

btw - I saw "IDE" mentioned in Carl's slides. What had Carl in mind 
in regards to IDE? Was it IDE integration? (e.g. Eclipse) or simply 
IDE/form builder?

we haven't talked about that. he surely wants a vid builder similar 
to layout.r

hmm, and no fear Ruby guys will take it and link somehow to ruby? 
:-) Well, they would still need even rebol, but that is not bad plan 
either .... they will link View and Rebol, later on realising, they 
don't need Ruby at all :-)

they can already take AGG and link to it.

and it's good if they link to rebol.dll :)

That would be good. But I also agree with your opinion, that if auto-layouter 
is good enough, it can actually do better job than some designers 
:-)

as you say... they'll stop using ruby if they do ;)

Gabriele - they linked already to it! They have bounties for projects 
and they don't hesitate to call it Rebol/View clone! It took 3rd 
place. Then I saw, how author was disappointed, linking to AGG, how 
slow it was :-)

nothing like the real thing :)

hmm, if View is small GUI toolkit, I wonder if there is a way, how 
other languages could benefit from that? :-) Tk, GTK, qt, /View :-)

well... view is mainly compositor built on AGG. i don't think it's 
interesting for those guys.

the interesting part is the rebol part - ie vid, the rich text dialect, 
the draw dialect and so on.

gabriele - does R3 have a multiline comment ability - or is it still 
single line?

rebol's mulitline comments are just done with a multiline string

eg. comment { ... }

or just { ... } most of the times.

yeah thats what i normally do but it gets messy with large code blocks 
that actually use multi-line strings

usually { { { } } } works well :)

lol

point taken :)

otherwise, just use a editor that can comment many lines with a single 
keystroke :P

was thinking mainly for when we get an IDE and want to do code block 
folding etc.

Good to know, the alpha is out there somewhere! That was needed, 
a deliver on a previous said date. I'm looking forward to see some 
of it in the next month or two.

so, Geomol was a bad guy too :-)

no, dunno why - wiki imo sucks ... lots of unneeded stuff around 
...

that depends on who writes them...

but...

you want open documentation... you have to pay the price for openness 
:)

Gabriele - re docs translation - that needs some organisation too. 
Imagine View doc. It is a very good doc, right? Now someone want 
to translate it, and he/she does so. Then someone does some tweaks/additions, 
changes to it. So - how translators are notified about it, to not 
actually need to look thru all doc for what changed?

ah, mediawiki does that.

you can get notifications for anything.

Hi guys..just to confirm R3 alpha  is real: http://www.rebol.cz/~cyphre/stuff/r3-alpha-splash.jpg

Cyphre - cool, but I can see some white spots there .... the engine 
is buggy - what are the words behind the white color? :-))

I would like to know more about "what" actually is a rebol executable 
now? How does the set-up look like? Is it some kind of rebol.exe 
loader, which loads rebol.dll? What about View then? Or is it packaged, 
so that everything is still inside of rebol.exe?

it will be packaged.

currently we have rebhost.exe (which contains agg compositor) linking 
to rebol.dll

rebhost.exe? Weird name. Hope it will become rebol.exe, once stable 
and fully released :-)

ah, name is just because this is the host for the dll :) ie rebol 
interpreted is an embeddable library... and it's always embedded 
into some host application

the public release will just be rebol.exe, without external dll and 
so on. developers instead can download the dll, and embed it in their 
app, or customize the default host for their needs and so on.

I just wonder ... dll is just cross platform library, right? And 
if I understand it correctly, then in that dll there are mainly structs 
defined, which you have to fill-in, no? IIRC something like that 
was said in blog regarding getting OS time. So I wonder - is linking 
dll to your app sufficient to run rebol code? Or you would have to 
port also platform specific things?

you need to add platform specific things - that is, the devices. 
otherwise, the rebol code would not be able to do much (no ports)