World: r3wp

But I understand what you mean. At least I think I do. Simply put 
many things are being put outside the rebol.dll and it is upon community 
to finish them. I just fear that Rebol has so bad reputation for 
its deployment inabilities, that we will not gain new ppl so easy 
...

but Bill Bucks try to help us, spreading the word, and also Syllable 
does a good job for us. Noone says bad word on Rebol on osnews, because 
if gurus from Syllable team decided to use it, then it must be a 
good langauge :-)

Even R2 is not very well utilized yet. Now if Geomol was a full time 
paid developer, he could probably give us a full postscript engine, 
for example.

I would like View to become new cross platform gui toolkit, as Qt 
is, GTK is, etc., and if ppl would find it easy to use, especially 
to create non-traditional UIs, then actually we will have something 
nice in hadns ... it all depends upon VID completness. I hope it 
reaches at least state of RebGUI ....

well guys, I know how to attract ppl. One article, with one web with 
rebol plug-ins, and few demos. Give me that. Show ppl apps like Deluxe 
Pain clone, and they will like it ....

have to wear welding googles, when coding Rebol

That could be a good commercial, people with all different kinds 
of heavy protection equipment ... coding in REBOL. :-)

Henrik - is there some nice demo already? I would eg. would like 
to see particles running on R3. Should not be difficult to port, 
and could show general speed improvement :-) Maybe you could take 
short videos of R2 and R3 versions to compare :-)

... maybe that would be good teasers for those - unlucky :-)

Therea are no really interesting demos yet and we're not supposed 
to do benchmarks (even though we do for fun), since some debugging 
code is still present. I think also there is no hardware blitting 
yet in R3 View. R3 DRAW seems to be about as fast as R2 draw for 
now.

and will there be one?

I don't know when that comes.

Excitement is building! I just hope that sufficient emphasis is given 
to documentation. Documentation is almost as important as the product 
itself. If you can't figure out how to use a great product, it does 
you no good. More than anything else, documentation will determine 
whether REBOL three will take off.

Every feature without exception needed to be explained, and actual 
working examples given---scripts that demonstrate that feature in 
a clear and simple way.

needed = needs

the new dictionary will have Wiki features and possibly a comments 
section.

That will help, but the docs should be modified by the coders as 
the code is modified and what it does is still fresh in their minds. 
The very scripts they use in testing a feature could become an example.

well guys, I know how to attract ppl. One article, with one web with 
rebol plug-ins, and few demos. Give me that. Show ppl apps like Deluxe 
Pain clone, and they will like it ....

Petr, Syllable doesn't have a Czech translation yet. I would think 
Syllable should be suitable for your country. Wouldn't you like to 
do a translation? Later when we have R3, you could do some joint 
promotion

We're building localized live CDs now, so we could give you a Czech 
live CD with REBOL to promote

Does rugby run under R3?

Kaj, thanks for the offer. Currently I am pressed for time, finishing 
some strategies in my new job. We can get back to it in few weeks 
....

OK, let me know

graham, I strongly doubt it.

Me too

But, R3 has Reb services built in?

it will, not yet though. (but, we hope to have it working for release 
or shortly after)

Would it be a good idea, if functions like ADD could take second 
argument as a block, so it could add up many values? Example:
>> add 1 [2 3 4 5]
== 15

It's the same kind of functionality as JOIN, which can take second 
argument as a block to join many values.

there is a method to do that in R3 already. :-)

ah, wait, I'm wrong. I thought you meant, adding 1 to each specific 
number in the b lock.

I see! My example were maybe not the best, because I'm not thinking 
of INC. Another example:
>> x: 4
>> add x [1 2 3 5]
== 15

Thinking a little further, what if I want to add all the values in 
a block. With my suggested ADD function, I could do:
>> blk: [1 2 3 4 5]
>> add blk/1 next blk
== 15

But that's clumsy. With JOIN, we also have REJOIN. So if we have 
this new version of ADD, should we also have a READD? (Bad name!) 
Example:
>> blk: [1 2 3 4 5]
>> readd blk
== 15

So, one week to official R3 release? Should we start count-down? 
:-)

I... don't know if I would do that :-)

you mean we should not bet on that date? :-)

But sooner or later it has to come out, no? :-)

Well, I am willing to wait, but not endlessly, let's say 7.9. is 
fine with me, I am 35 :-)

I don't think it's realistic.

some people are very quiet right now, so I guess they are working 
intensely on stuff for the next alpha.

why would Gabriele mention that date here? After all - it will be 
public alpha, not beta, no?

I don't know why it was mentioned. I would personally not mention 
any dates until we are fairly sure that there is about 1 week of 
work left.

well, it all depends when you want to release. I think that for R3 
to be feature complete, and I mean all those plug-ins, rif, rebin, 
unicode, it will take another year to be there ....

mentioning dates only makes me feel bad that we could not make it 
to that date. :-)

Pekr, the "couple of weeks delay" was for the beta, according to 
Carl's blog.

yes, there'll be a ton of work after the beta release. I hope that 
people will come together in the right groups to extend R3 to its 
full capacity.

the most difficult part will to attract new developers, being able 
to extend native (C level) code base ...

I think, we should read it as: at of 6-Jul-2007, the beta was delayed 
a couple of weeks. I have a feeling, there is being hard work going 
on, but it could be delayed yet more. We'll have to wait and see.

Personally I like the things in there to be robust better than having 
tons of features.

Geomol, yes, people are working very hard. I wouldn't consider the 
delays as anything to worry about if the dates were not published. 
There are no setbacks or things that have failed or strong disagreements 
or detours into "ohh, shiny!" land. :-) It just needs to take the 
time it needs to be finished.

I don't mind about dealys either, as much as R3 is as cool as I think 
it is going to be ...

Maybe we should send a message to Carl, that he'll receive a present, 
when R3 is out? As a carrot! ;-)