World: r3wp

Thanks Henrik!

I hope VID is shaping well :-) I was quite worried, when I read your 
"quirks document" :-)

That seems to indicate that there still get more bugs detected than 
fixed compared with http://www.rebol.net/r3blogs/0094.html

btw - I had an idea, nothing concrete, but - could it be possible 
to build styles in complete visual style, almost without coding? 
Imagine visual style builder. You basically would have container 
and you would be able to place gobs there. You would have also available 
palette of handlers, which you could kind of plug into your container. 
Then you would have available testing methods for dragging, mouse 
moving, and test how your style reacts. It would kind of remind Photoshop 
work with layers. It would create tree structure and then it would 
compose a style for you as a resul, with minimal coding effort. Just 
not sure it would be possible. But - for new VID, you guys should 
thought in such an abstract way to make it possible :-)

sqlab - yes, but they also plug-in new subsystems in there, which 
were not there previously, or so I think. That can mean bug reports 
are rising, but those are new bugs due to extended codebase ... just 
my guess ...

ah, it's so nice to be designing a progress bar with sub-pixel precision. 
:-)

ah, my last message did not pop up? Well, subpixel accuracy? What 
to say? Cool :-)

sub-pixel Precision
?? New Vid?

I think it is more View kernel related than VID related?

it's simple: since the progress bar is drawn with DRAW, the horizontal 
resolution can be scaled up 10 times, so you get theoretically 10 
times better precision. this way you can still see progress on progress 
bars that update very slowly.

ah, so it is not subpixel accuracy we talked about earlier? Does 
pair allow decimals already?

no, it's handled with scaling pairs up 10x. So a 500 px progressbar 
has a 5000 pixel resolution.

hmm, but that is something different, no? It is not subpixel accuracy 
AGG allows?

you can do it in R2 draw as well:

draw [scale 0.1 0.1 box 100x100]

draws a box that appears to be 10x10

draw [scale 0.1 0.1 box 99x99]

draws a box that appears to be 9.9x9.9

So, Henrik - are you familiar with new VID to that extent, so you 
can start porting your grid? :-)

No, there are some things still missing. I'm not even sure that a 
port can be warranted as the system is very different, so it would 
take shorter time to rewrite it. I have long wanted to rewrite it 
to separate list operations from the display more.

so when approximatelly starts it be about styles only? Are other 
subsystems ready already?

we're doing both subsystems and the styles at the same time. neither 
are finished at this point.

will your Quirks doc "worries" be adressed? :-)

I'm sure they will.

hopefully decimal pair! will be supported in R3.x

Carl started his active blogging once again. Thaks for that very 
much!

http://www.rebol.net/r3blogs/0098.html-  drag&drop in R3!

A little update from alpha testing, which I joined about a week ago:

- Carl managed two releases today, the last one added a request-file.

- I've been working on some very thorough 64-bit decimal testing, 
and I found a couple of bugs. Better to find them now than after 
a public release.

- I made a little program to help getting a view on the alpha situation. 
(tests, bugs, etc.)

- I just had a talk with Carl, and he has some more to say about 
testing. He has a test script, that was used for VID2, that he wants 
to get running under R3. It should make it easier for all the testers 
to get more done faster. Testing this is big project, but there is 
progress all the time. Just 4 updates to the bug tracker yesterday, 
but more than 20 updates the day before. (Both new reports and solving/testing 
old bugs.)

When in R3 doing:
? action! reveals 129 actions.
? native! reveals 144 natives.
? logic! reveals 8 logics.
? op! reveals 18 operators.
? function! reveals 168 functions.

i repost a comment on the last Carl's blog post:
I noticed the use of the new Rich Text Format. Bravo !!! 

will have us the possibility of including sub-blocks of text with 
inheritance of the style properties to the sub-blocks ? 

something like: [bold “bla bla” [red “i' m red”]]

some infos ?

I haven't looked much into the graphics yet, so maybe someone else 
can answer that!?

that would be yet another Cyphre question :-)

Some more output from the R3 console:

>> length? system/words
== 1296

>> ? system/datatypes

SYSTEM/DATATYPES is a block of value: [end! unset! none! logic! integer! 
decimal

! percent! money! char! pair! tuple! time! date! string! binary! 
file! email! ur

l! tag! issue! bitset! unicode! vector! image! block! paren! path! 
set-path! get

-path! lit-path! dictionary! datatype! typeset! word! set-word! get-word! 
lit-wo

rd! refinement! native! action! routine! rebcode! op! closure! function! 
frame!

object! module! error! task! port! gob! event! handle! struct! library! 
utype!]

>> ? system/view/event-types
SYSTEM/VIEW/EVENT-TYPES is a block of value: [

    ignore interrupt device custom error init open close connect accept 
    read write wrote lookup ready done time show hide offset resize active 
    inactive minimize maximize restore move down up alt-down alt-up aux-down 
    aux-up key key-up scroll-line scroll-page drop-file
]

Wasn't the 14th the day R3 was going beta ??

Graham - not sure - it was first supposed to be out on 15th July, 
then Gabriele was talking about 1st of August, but that was not official 
statement. IIRC no further dates were mentioned ...

Geomol: good work! I am glad they extended the group! btw - where 
is Volker, has anyone seen him recently?

graham, that was Petr's release date. you should get an R3 exe from 
Petr... i would not attempt to run it though.

Steeve: sub blocks are possible in DRAW but not with TEXT (it complicates 
a bit caret handling; we may add that in the future but so far we 
have not needed them).

also, i think you want something like DRAW's PUSH command actually, 
I don't know if that is planned or not.

Ah, 14.8.? That was btiffin's birthday IIRC, it was posted on announce 
channel as a joke ... well, call it kind of a black humour :-)

Pekr, please send me your copy of R3

I don't have any :-)

But maybe I could send you the one released on 15.7, and on 1.8.? 
:-)

that'll do :)

ah, Frank Sievertsen active on blog :-) Will we gain some old guys 
back to REBOL? And will we gain new ones? :-)

General R3 questions answered - new blog article - http://www.rebol.net/r3blogs/0099.html

it would be said that everyone is filled with enthusiasm for this 
history of cursor icon.
One will strike me if I say that it is the last of my concern? 

i could make a wish list with 1000 request for R3, and changing cursor 
icon would not be inside

1000 is a little bit excessive, i admit ;-)

The great and terrible thing is that we all use REBOL differently. 
Being able to change the cursor isn't in my top 10, but it would 
probably be in my top 100, and may be even more valuable under R3.

There are a lot of things rebol does that I would not think I needed 
but as they are there...I use them. I would not have thought much 
about the curser but I'm sure that I will use it to help rebol apps 
standout.

Does anybody know that if Rebol 3 will conform to the new security 
norms iin Windows Vista with respect to file system access?

For example, from what I've read about Vista the default security 
settings don't allow programs to save files in the Program Files 
directory tree.