World: r3wp

but with postscript, we might be able to get a decent preview in 
draw

that is true ... but ghostscript is not native too, no?

ah, so you mean - give me the ability to use such draw commands, 
which will automatically translate into postscript ...

I'm not suggesting writing a postscript interpreter ...

that would work .. automatic translation of draw into postscript

Of course we could just have display postscript :)

next pcs had that years ago

I remember, in SAP, they had their SAP Script - the tool you used 
to do your forms for printing. They left it, and integrated PDF instead. 
I wonder if the requirement for PDF reader is problem for you? I 
know it is a dependency, but it is imo being regarded de-facto standard, 
no?

so, as for me, I would maybe prefer PS too, otoh, from the practical 
pov, I would maybe prefer PDF, because I can generate .pdf file, 
and send it to others too ....

I guess the question is whether one wants to use pdf as a print preview 
mechanism . or use draw

I had something different in mind - simply when you want to prepare 
and send electronic files for your customers, at least for me pdf 
is de-facto standard. So by having ability to generate pdf, I have 
two works done in one way. Of course there is that Adobe Reader dependency, 
but .... however, I understand your case ...

generating pdf from ps is easy enough with ghostscript installed

Umm, it's not directly R3 related, but I think Gabriele's PDF-Maker.r 
is a fairly large step toward cross-platform printing.  It's three 
flavour right now, pdf-maker.r in rebol.org, pdf-maker version 2 
on Gabriele's site (the target for future work and with some wicked 
powerful REBOL directed typesetting) and inside the rebol.org qml-ed 
package with the ease of qml input, pumping out pdf.


V2 at http://www.colellachiara.com/soft/PDFM2/is where x-platform 
printing may come from, methinks.

except this commits us to using a 3rd party viewer

but it is like saying that something commits us to use web browser 
- there is no decent platform without Adobe Reader or the clone. 
Even on Amiga :-)

I'd like more options while draw is in the cooking pot as it were.

I don't know PS/PDF formats in depth but is there any problem to 
write PS/PDF->DRAW viewer even with R2 DRAW abilities?

AFAIK one guy here at Rebol3 world did even own chinese(or was it 
japanese?) font viewer/editor using R2 DRAW....

There are some problems with text alignment and sizes.

Under R2 Draw, it's impossible to center and right align text correctly.

Draw and View sizes for text do not match.

I think this is all solved in R3 draw, but I don't know about text 
sizes.

graham: previewing ps is as hard as previewing pdf, as long as the 
source is a rebol dialect.

graham: i don't know any user whit gs installed. every single pc 
i have ever seen has a pdf reader of some kind installed (usually 
just adobe)

I'm personally more interested in using Windows printing directly 
and feed data to that. I don't know yet though how that works, but 
I'll be working on a solution for that for R3.

right now I'm stuck in a mix of GS, Printfile and using postscript.r 
to generate printable output.

I'm still trying to figure out a way to kick Pekr for making me think 
the 14th was THE DAY!  :>)  LOL

I've been away so long was this the rumor?

it was a joke, of course. The bad part of the joke, which makes it 
joke a less, is the fact I dared to post it to Announce channel :-)

As opposed to the 'Humour' channel... :)
Louis will 3.0 have what you need for your program?

I can't help being disappointed (although I trust the team to do 
great work)

I need something being tested on older versions of REBOL. So if some 
of you could run this little piece of code and report, what the end 
value is, and what version of REBOL under what OS and on what hardware. 
The piece of code:

x: 1.0 while [(1.0 + (x / 2.0)) > 1.0] [x: x / 2.0]

On my G4 iBook, system/version is 2.7.5.2.4 and I get: 3.5527136788005E-15

REBOL/Core 2.5.0.3.1

>> x: 1.0 while [(1.0 + (x / 2.0)) > 1.0] [x: x / 2.0]
== 3.5527136788005E-15

XP P 4 2.66 1 GB

REBOL/View 1.3.1.3.1 17-Jun-2005 Core 2.6.0 under Win2000 (not sure 
which CPU):
1.77635683940025E-15

REBOL/Core 2.5.6.7.1 under FreeBSD i386:
3.5527136788005E-15

>> system/version ;View 1.3.2.3.1 5-Dec-2005 Core 2.6.3
== 1.3.2.3.1
>> x: 1.0 while [(1.0 + (x / 2.0)) > 1.0] [x: x / 2.0]
== 1.77635683940025E-15
;Athlon64 2.0GHz/w32 5.1

REBOL/View 1.3.2.3.1 5-Dec-2005 Core 2.6.3
Copyright 2000-2005 REBOL Technologies.  All rights reserved.
REBOL is a trademark of REBOL Technologies. WWW.REBOL.COM
>> x: 1.0 while [(1.0 + (x / 2.0)) > 1.0] [x: x / 2.0]
== 1.77635683940025E-15

Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition Version 2002 Service Pack 2   Compaq 
Presario AMD Athlon XP 2200+  1.80 GHz  1.00 GB of RAMS

James, not sure yet. Probably not, as I need unicode support.

REBOL/Core 2.5.6.3.1 / win XP / AMD-TL50 
3.5527136788005E-15

REBOL/View 1.3.1.3.1 17-Jun-2005 Core 2.6.0  -- same op sys and machine 
as above:
1.77635683940025E-15

Windows XP Pro,  Prozessor	x86 Family 15 Model 2 Stepping 9 GenuineIntel 
~2807 Mhz

REBOL/Command 2.6.2.3.1
1.77635683940025E-15
REBOL/Pro 2.6.2.3.1
1.77635683940025E-15
REBOL/Core 2.6.0.3.1
1.77635683940025E-15
REBOL/Pro 2.5.125.3.1
1.77635683940025E-15

REBOL/Core 2.5.0.3.1
3.5527136788005E-15

REBOL/Pro 2.5.8.3.1
8.88178419700125E-16

REBOL/Core 2.3.0.3.1
false

REBOL/Core 2.2.7.3.1
false

Geomol: you discovered "rounded equality", unfortunately, there were 
some adjustments to it recently (some made by mistake, some intentional)

have you got any reasons why to prefer same? 1 1.0 == true or same? 
1 1.0 == false?

(question is for any rebol user and mainly for Rebol, i.e. the future)

...for Rebol3... is what I wanted to mention above

Okay, I don't think, I need more tests on my little routine. The 
8.88.....E-16 result from sqlab was interesting! :-) Else all other 
results were 1.77....E-15 and 3.55.....E-15.


Ladislav, I think, I understand the situation and the problem now. 
That's why I made this investigation. There is another way to handle 
this, where it's up to the programmer, which of the two situations
same? 1 1.0 == true or same? 1 1.0 == false?

should hold. See my large post in the "Bugs" group in "R3-Alpha" 
world.

Thanks to everyone doing the test!

A little update from Alpha testing. Since last time, this happened:

- POWER can now handle negative number and exponent

- Some bugs fixed regarding: money!, path, VID crash, change/part, 
read, function and closure recursion crash, compose/deep
- New dictionary! datatype (replacing hash!)
- A lot is going on in the graphics, VID and DRAW groups
- Ongoing work to get the test methods to perfection

We're now on Alpha 49.

Carl asks about better name for dictionary!, which is a bit long. 
I think there is only one alternative, if we want the name to be 
on pair with other languages - dict! ... the thing is, that we don't 
use abbreviations in REBOL most of the time, but we have func too, 
so why not dict! ?