World: r3wp

btw - some might remember, that some 4 months ago, I asked to be 
involved in the docs grop at least or to talk the marketing strategy. 
I know that it might seem being preliminary, while it is not ....

pekr, I think you are nitpicking way too much right now. We don't 
have the time to make pretty well-organized docs right now. Your 
input will be much more appropriate when R3 goes into beta, when 
docs are opened up and we have time to deal with this, OK?

Henrik - for you I might be nitpicking, but from my pov, it is just 
you, who is missinterpreting meaning of my requests. And that is 
maybe the difference between good developer (you) and mostly IT manager 
(me). I follow different patterns ...

you are requesting things that are completely low priority right 
now

Maybe the whole situation is just caused because we are very few. 
With larger community even my aproach might work as some ppl might 
work on docs in parallel ...

I think the whole situation is cause by you commenting on things 
that are not done. Perhaps it's a good idea to close the docs even 
further down now, so you can't see them anymore, so we'll at least 
have the piece and quiet required to finish them.

Henrik - and I find you latest remark very arrogant.

but that is not up to me

Pekr, I just want you to stop commenting on things that aren't done. 
Can't you see that?

And I want Alpha group to be extended by Alpha+ group, which could 
work on other things which might be needed sooner or later. There 
is lots of work on other fronts too. You would have not to think 
about how to write docs if others would write the docs, can't you 
see it? But then you would have to stop playing elite ....

I am off from that for now ...

I kind of see Henrik's point...How do you write docs for things that 
are not complete...ot just code but the actual conncepts of certain 
aspects do not seem to be naild down yet. How do write docs in this 
situation?

Pekr, just calm down, how can someone write full docs, when VID3 
is not yet finished? Can't you wait a bit more? Where's the problem? 
Don't base your assumptions on some unfinished docs, I know you're 
eager to get R3, but, please, wait until it's done.

How does the coder convey to the docs writer what to write if he 
does not know waht the code is going to do?

Pekr, we _will_ be getting back to these things you mention. it's 
just not the right time yet. There is plenty of progress, but still 
plenty to do in terms of code, where we can't just write docs out 
of thin air.

and Pekr: VID3 kicks ass. :-)

too bad the url is so easy to figure out, didn't you know it, you 
had nothing to complain about ;)

amacleod - there aparently is more things that are complete - you 
saw the mention docs are some 30% behind? And have you ever been 
in process of writing docs? I mean - in the team? Do you think that 
ppl only wait for the work to be 100% finished? Some concepts HAVE 
to be already in place. I prefer to rewrite/restylize docs instead 
of writing them in a hurry ...

Rebolek - you are far from the truth - I don't want to get R3 just 
because of sake of having it ...

I am more interested in the marketing process  - now read that - 
http://www.rebol.com/help-wanted.html... do you think that process 
should not run in parallel?

apply for the job then

There is so many other things. But we need to input. In fact - I 
don't agree with www.rebol.com world release, unless RT finds time 
to discuss other things. Because - I want R3 to be successfull, so 
I would prefer to prepare on other fronts, as I said  ....

I will apply for the job from the other side - user.r . I want to 
help that thing organised. If you would ask btiffin, I think that 
he would understand my points. My main barrier is my english. I can 
be present on internet public forums, evangelising rebol, talk to 
ppl, explain, but I can't represent RT ...

yes, please do. there will be a requirement for much more help, once 
R3 goes beta.

and as for VID3 kicking ass - I hope so, as I like my little fights 
with Bobik between VID and PythonCard, so I really hope I have some 
new fresh blood in my veins for my new round of evening tea talks 
;-)

Henrik - I am already selected user.r community representative, well, 
even if only few ppl voted, the thing was kind of strange :-)

indeed it kicks ass. a very small example:

view [progress slider attach]


slider is attached to progress and will adjust it's length automatically.

ok, let's fight a bit :-)

and you get automatic resizing thrown in for free

I am a new programmer - how it connects? I want to have some imagination 
about it. btw - that was the most difficult part of VID vs View. 
At least when I taught Bobik VID. Once you needed to go deeper, non 
skilled View guru would get lost ...

Sounds great

Henrik - I saw some weird arithmetic expressions for attach. Just 
one question - does it allow named variables instead of integers?

there's a lot more interconnection between words in VID now.

yes, it did that from the start, but the other thing is much easier, 
when you have many attachments to do.

I remember romano paolo tenca's 'attach, but it was resizing related. 
Ach, it was 'anchor ....

What if you dynamically insert new element into layout? Will it reattach 
itself? :-)

I'm not sure. I haven't tried it.

Petr, then you should not complain about VID, but about the docs. 
Problem is, we don't have anyone to write them. Brian is doing his 
best, but I don't expect him to be able to just do *everything* (user.r, 
testing, writing docs...)

Maybe I could help with docs, but not sure if I would be able to 
understand new VID to that extent, to be able to write one ...

My intention is to have more "explanatory" kind of docs, like in 
book, not just reference. http://www.rebol.com/docs/view-system.html
is good one for e.g.

i agree with you actually, but do you really have the time to write 
them? if so, i'm sure Carl would welcome you. :)

(btw i started doing easy-vid3 using easy-vid text as reference to 
make it "similar" in how it reads etc. but i don't have enough time.)

re free time. Not sure about the free time, but I don't want to sound 
like allibist. I might try. However - not in the case if you think 
that it is my method of how to get R3, as it is not the case :-)

you see, i don't think anyone has problems with you getting r3, we 
only have problems with you complaining too much about it - considering 
how much you do by just having looked a bit at the docs ;)

but, it's Carl making decisions - maybe you can talk to him directly.

i will tell him that you volunteered for the docs, if you really 
want to do that. (then you'll be the one to get complains for once 
;)

is btiffin there doing docs work?

yes.

been working on the vid docs for a few days already.

that's why i'm sure they'll improve a lot.