World: r3wp

some things are still not in place, but creating the layout in the 
screenshot is less than 1 kb of code.

what about background animations?

no timers, so not yet. they will come.

transparency

transparency is simple. it's everywhere.

previously R2 was limited to the common platform idea ..

so, if one platform lacked a feature .. it meant none of the others 
could have it

Hope that is being tossed into the bit bucket

yes, it's different now. however full hw-acceleration and those things 
will come later.

lots of stuff to finish first

great ... that was form of computer communism

Hope that postscript will be better supported as Carl said it would

we should in fact be able to scale down from full graphics to text 
console, if it's possible to make a usable interface in that.

Cyphre would know more about that. He's still adding features to 
DRAW.

like Amiga anywhere?

Taos or whatever it was called?

(although rather slowly these days :-))

is Cyphre still working on qtask?

I meant in terms of where a UI can be displayed. Not whether we can 
hard scale it to a PDA or an HDTV like they do. If you want to display 
big and pretty buttons on an HDTV, you'd use one set of styles. If 
you want to display on a text only console, you'd use a different 
set of styles, but the layout code would be the same. Some work needs 
to be done here before I can say anything more. We're only testing 
ordinary WindowsXP graphics for now.

styles

Sounds very good

how do you setup forms on a text console?  use escape sequences??

I don't know. Ask gabriele. :-)

Hmm.

So, it sounds as though we might be able to generate html as well 
...

You can use terminal escape codes for that, or usually, you use a 
library such as Curses or S-Lang

the layout engine can with the use of styles generate a flash or 
javascript gui ??

It should, if it can even do text

Years ago there was a project trying to do this in XML, UIML

ascii art

It's one of the projects I bookmarked that could be done better in 
REBOL :-)

I admit I hadn't thought of that. I actually have a project on hold 
for VID->HTML forms in R2.

Looks like Oldes is doing a R2 layout on Flash

If it could do these things .. it would greatly enhance it's attractiveness 
to non Rebol users

Sounds like Gabriele got his UI abstraction concept through, then

abstract all that hard stuff out of JS etc

a killer user of R3

use

Freudian slip? :-)

sounds great. :-) But let's see what Gabriele says. :-)

of course this is what we wanted with makedoc ..

to create text, pdf, etc

Tao is no more - they went bancrupt. Tao was imo not very special, 
yet similar to REBOL. Remember - they had to code in kind of Rebcode 
ASM, to get the speed. And R3, once platform plug-ins are ready, 
will allow to replace certain parts, e.g. rendering.

I thought about VID3-2-Flash converter, but I am not sure those things 
are possible, without REBOL. Remember - VID is being parsed, 'parse 
is evaluated in REBOL. REBOL is everywhere in the equation. The trick 
is - show Flash, Ruby, Python guys, that View is nice and runs in 
the browser. Then they will try to copy it. Then they will find out, 
they need REBOL anyway. Then they will find out, that REBOL is actually 
smaller, than most of their libraries. Then they will drop Ruby, 
Python etc. :-)

In order to get VID3 to work in Flash, you would need to recode the 
whole thing in Flash itself. The same goes for other environments. 
It is imo easier to port REBOL to those tools, although it might 
be slow. IMO REBOL ported to JAVA would be interesting project ....

I was thinking more of a code generator

If you want a killer app, let's finish VID3, put extension things 
in-place, simply create "a platform", then let's create browser plug-in 
- that is a killer app, because it provides you with seamless integration. 
And it will work out of the box, no REBOL code changes or limitations.

remember - ajax is crap. Show me one single grid, powerfull as Henrik's 
grid, which is consistent, not hundreds of KBs of chaotic code. VID3 
app has imo potential to kill ANY web-based wanna-be apps, which 
try to pretend, they are desktop-like apps. Web is web, it should 
stay that way - forms, portal, but not rich-apps.

the reality is that the world is moving to rich web apps

yes, they try to, for ages already.