World: r3wp

a bit more progress on DevBase today to allow uploading of many files 
in bulk. still a few more bits to do. DevBase will hold the code 
to itself, so we can help updating it along the way.

there are now a few extra useful mezzanines that haven't been added 
to R3 officially. perhaps they will go in there as well.

356 bug reports

http://hmkdesign.dk/rebol/files/2e7e2c962a9c8d14e93919f5b007e5f6-85.html
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more news on DevBase folks ?

Carl is asking questions among developers privately on some final 
issues.

I really don't undersant why there is so many people crying... I 
have Uniserve runing for several months without problems, parsing 
about 50 pages two times per day to provide culture informations 
in the city I live, I use Rebol to build PHP sites, Flash apps, as 
a proxy server as, a clasic system console and for so many every 
day scripting and I really cannot imagine I would use something else 
than Rebol for such a job. And if you still think that you cannot 
do anything in R2 and have to wait for R3 to start, you can take 
a look for other technology. With computer languages it's same like 
with normal languages - the more languages you know, the better you 
are.

Oldes - to whom are you replying to? :-)

I think that noone is waiting. We simply got to the stage of nearly 
extinction of entire REBOL humankind :-)

Our community was always passionate, but not big enough. Each nice 
and good project was mostly a one-man show. Then - those more skilled 
rebollers got rebol related jobs. That is very nice, but also has 
some side-effects. Those ppl nearly vanished from public radar. Where's 
Doc, Cyphre, Ladislav, Gabriele, Voker, Anton? Well, Gabriele could 
be probably excluded from the group, as he is active even on ml.

And yes, awaiting new release has always the same effect. Ppl are 
holding breath, as they think new thingy is about to be released 
next day :-) Once there is new release however, I believe ppl will 
come from their holes and we will hopefully see nice activity once 
again.

If anything was to be communicated more than my suggestion to keep 
quiet, I would have liked to see very, very conservative schedules. 
Carl is always overly optimistic which is causing all this ruccus 
and damages the believability of RT.

I just had a though this morning about just how different R3 is going 
to be syntactically from R1-R2. For those of you using it, is it 
grossly different? I think I should just continue to study the current 
Rebol since I still have plenty of jobs to do, however, I'm still 
curious what it looks like myself. Personally I doubt if it can be 
so new that what I've learned so far will not be useful but I'd like 
to hear it from those who have real-world experience.

No the syntax is basically the same. There are no radical changes 
to syntax, but in the details, some things behave a little differently, 
some things are allowed and some are forbidden, but you only notice 
that after a while. If you use R2, you'll be able to use R3 immediately. 
The differences lies in the behavior of functions, dialects, etc.

Excellent Henrik. That's what I needed to know. Most of my issues 
are not that R2 doesn't do something or another; they have to do 
with knowledge and experience. Thanks.

Let me see if I can find an interesting mezzanine to post here...

move: func [
    "Move a value or span of values in a series."
    source [series!] "Source series"
    offset [integer!] "Offset to move by, or index to move to"
    /part "Move part of a series"
    length [integer!] "The length of the part to move"

    /skip "Treat the series as records of fixed size" ;; SKIP redefined
    size [integer!] "Size of each record"

    /to "Move to an index relative to the head of the series" ;; TO redefined
] [
    unless length [length: 1]
    if skip [
        offset: offset * size: max 1 size
        length: length * size
    ]
    part: take/part source length
    insert either to [at head source offset] [
        system/words/skip source offset
    ] part
]

not much difference, except for a new TAKE function. but there shouldn't 
be any trouble reading it for R2 users.

That's what I'm talking about...

For me, the 'unless'  was new but I see that it was just what I was 
saying; I need to learn R2 better, because there it did in fact  
exist in R2. Interesting, thanks.

just reading through the built in mezzanines in R2 can be very helpful.

That one is not in the dictionary page. What's your best  method 
to view those?

I usually use the word browser. It holds the newest and the most 
information.

but it did take a while for me to discover 'unless. There has also 
been debate whether it's needed. It makes code a very tiny bit faster. 
That's all.

Ah, I forgot about that one. Thanks.

I think this is also new:

>>>> head foreach [a b d: c] a [change d 'hello]
== [1 2 hello 4 5 hello]

damn... sorry

>> a: [1 2 3 4 5 6]
>> head foreach [a b d: c] a [change d 'hello]
== [1 2 hello 4 5 hello]

Ohhh, but is that cool or what?

posted a bit more about it on my blog.

What about the licensing?

Will users need  a pro type license to access libraries?

How does RT plan on generating revenue?

I don't know much about licensing, but I don't think there will be 
any pro licenses anymore. It doesn't make sense when R3 can talk 
to any library to extend functionality, so it would be easy to get 
around that. Revenue? Ask Carl.

How about cost?

free, I suppose

think and suppose make for lousy answers.

thanks for the critique

These are Rebol Inc questions.

Are we going to see an sctp implementation soon?

well, I won't be making it. :-) I think these questions are better 
suited for later. I need to have a better look at devbase. I suspect 
(sorry, Terry) that it will be a 3rd party job.

actually those questions have been answered already, but some people 
like to pretend they didn't notice. R3 will not be sold. RT makes 
money in other ways. (eg AltMe 3)

http://hmkdesign.dk/rebol/files/f5ab092787305f43a01d825826a9eb51-87.html
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henrik, some bugs in your former blog, it might confuse ppl:


1) "Knowing FOREACH from R2, you can assign a word to each of those 
4 elements " .... while your block shows only [a b c]
2) >> a: [1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9]
== [1 2 3 4 5 6]

...is wrong too - you miss 7 8 in the ==[] block returned from console 
...

fixed

What a great faq Henrik. Thanks.

Hey, I was just wondering. How big is Rebol3 now (in MB)? Not that 
it matters to me that much but I am curious.

MB? :-)

rebhost.exe - 360KB, rebol.dll - 298KB

Ohh, sorry : ) Wasn't thinking straight. (I am working on a PC, you 
know)