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james_nak
25-Oct-2007
[5215]
That one is not in the dictionary page. What's your best  method 
to view those?
Henrik
25-Oct-2007
[5216x2]
I usually use the word browser. It holds the newest and the most 
information.
but it did take a while for me to discover 'unless. There has also 
been debate whether it's needed. It makes code a very tiny bit faster. 
That's all.
james_nak
25-Oct-2007
[5218]
Ah, I forgot about that one. Thanks.
Henrik
25-Oct-2007
[5219x4]
I think this is also new:
>>>> head foreach [a b d: c] a [change d 'hello]
== [1 2 hello 4 5 hello]
damn... sorry
>> a: [1 2 3 4 5 6]
>> head foreach [a b d: c] a [change d 'hello]
== [1 2 hello 4 5 hello]
james_nak
25-Oct-2007
[5223]
Ohhh, but is that cool or what?
Henrik
25-Oct-2007
[5224]
posted a bit more about it on my blog.
Terry
25-Oct-2007
[5225x3]
What about the licensing?
Will users need  a pro type license to access libraries?
How does RT plan on generating revenue?
Henrik
25-Oct-2007
[5228]
I don't know much about licensing, but I don't think there will be 
any pro licenses anymore. It doesn't make sense when R3 can talk 
to any library to extend functionality, so it would be easy to get 
around that. Revenue? Ask Carl.
Terry
25-Oct-2007
[5229]
How about cost?
Henrik
25-Oct-2007
[5230]
free, I suppose
Terry
25-Oct-2007
[5231]
think and suppose make for lousy answers.
Henrik
25-Oct-2007
[5232]
thanks for the critique
james_nak
25-Oct-2007
[5233]
These are Rebol Inc questions.
Graham
25-Oct-2007
[5234]
Are we going to see an sctp implementation soon?
Henrik
25-Oct-2007
[5235]
well, I won't be making it. :-) I think these questions are better 
suited for later. I need to have a better look at devbase. I suspect 
(sorry, Terry) that it will be a 3rd party job.
Gabriele
26-Oct-2007
[5236]
actually those questions have been answered already, but some people 
like to pretend they didn't notice. R3 will not be sold. RT makes 
money in other ways. (eg AltMe 3)
Henrik
26-Oct-2007
[5237]
http://hmkdesign.dk/rebol/files/f5ab092787305f43a01d825826a9eb51-87.html
<--- small FAQ posted here.
Pekr
26-Oct-2007
[5238]
henrik, some bugs in your former blog, it might confuse ppl:


1) "Knowing FOREACH from R2, you can assign a word to each of those 
4 elements " .... while your block shows only [a b c]
2) >> a: [1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9]
== [1 2 3 4 5 6]

...is wrong too - you miss 7 8 in the ==[] block returned from console 
...
Henrik
26-Oct-2007
[5239]
fixed
james_nak
26-Oct-2007
[5240]
What a great faq Henrik. Thanks.
james_nak
29-Oct-2007
[5241]
Hey, I was just wondering. How big is Rebol3 now (in MB)? Not that 
it matters to me that much but I am curious.
Pekr
29-Oct-2007
[5242x2]
MB? :-)
rebhost.exe - 360KB, rebol.dll - 298KB
james_nak
29-Oct-2007
[5244]
Ohh, sorry : ) Wasn't thinking straight. (I am working on a PC, you 
know)
Henrik
29-Oct-2007
[5245]
some things are still outside of the R3 distribution, so it might 
balloon a few more kb.
james_nak
29-Oct-2007
[5246]
Still incredible, don't you think? So this thing might really work 
on a cellphone/pda?
Henrik
29-Oct-2007
[5247]
easily.
james_nak
29-Oct-2007
[5248]
Henrik, you know I am a big PS3 fan. How big of a deal would it be 
to port?
Henrik
29-Oct-2007
[5249]
I don't know yet much about the porting process, but so far it looks 
like a "fill in the blanks" process, where you need to provide functionality 
for events, timers, threads, etc. That and the documentation for 
whatever OS runs on the PS3. If Linux can run on it, R3 should work 
fine.
james_nak
29-Oct-2007
[5250]
It does so I hope that means my next "Amiga" will be a PS3.
Sunanda
29-Oct-2007
[5251]
The executable size of all versions of REBOL is absolutely tiny.
But the memory footprint when loaded runs into megabytes.

That used to be a showstopper for memory-limited devices such as 
phones/pdas.

It may no longer be if the minimum hardware has caught up with REBOL's 
memory requirements.
Henrik
29-Oct-2007
[5252x2]
R3 typically uses half the memory of R2 right now. Perhaps much less 
on graphics intensive apps.
The cows demo shows that spectacularly.
Sunanda
29-Oct-2007
[5254]
That's a very promising statistic!
james_nak
29-Oct-2007
[5255]
Sure is.
Henrik
29-Oct-2007
[5256]
I don't know how much memory an R2 face takes, but a single empty 
GOB in R3 takes 64 bytes.
james_nak
29-Oct-2007
[5257]
Well, the proof will be in the pudding. When we get to the point 
where we can run R3 on a Nokia device, we'll know.
Henrik
29-Oct-2007
[5258]
I don't do many benchmarks either right now, because my only windows 
box is a 192 MB Celeron 500 that will only boot in fail safe mode 
without graphics acceleration. However it probably is a good thing, 
since it really shows that graphics are noticably faster. That will 
help lowering the system requirements.
Oldes
30-Oct-2007
[5259x4]
>> stats
Series Memory Info:
  node   size = 16
  series size = 20
       5 segs =  409640 bytes (header space)
   11259 blks = 1295568 bytes (blocks used)
    1213 strs =   85112 bytes (strings used)
       3 odds =   73792 bytes (odd series used)
   12475 used = 1454472 bytes (total used)
       0 free /    8005 bytes (free headers / nodespace)

Pool[ 0]    8B   173/  512: 256 (33%)  2 segs,    4112 total
Pool[ 1]   16B   487/  768: 256 (63%)  3 segs,   12312 total
Pool[ 2]   32B  1326/ 2048: 512 (64%)  4 segs,   65568 total
Pool[ 3]   48B  4621/ 8192:1024 (56%)  8 segs,  393280 total
Pool[ 4]   64B  2414/ 3584: 512 (67%)  7 segs,  229432 total
Pool[ 5]   80B  1182/ 1792: 256 (65%)  7 segs,  143416 total
Pool[ 6]   96B   544/  896: 128 (60%)  7 segs,   86072 total
Pool[ 7]  112B   342/  512: 128 (66%)  4 segs,   57376 total
Pool[ 8]  128B   228/  320:  64 (71%)  5 segs,   41000 total
Pool[ 9]  144B   182/  320:  64 (56%)  5 segs,   46120 total
Pool[10]  160B   144/  256:  64 (56%)  4 segs,   40992 total
Pool[11]  176B   137/  224:  32 (61%)  7 segs,   39480 total
Pool[12]  192B   121/  192:  32 (63%)  6 segs,   36912 total
Pool[13]  208B    89/  160:  32 (55%)  5 segs,   33320 total
Pool[14]  224B    77/  128:  32 (60%)  4 segs,   28704 total
Pool[15]  240B    28/   64:  32 (43%)  2 segs,   15376 total
Pool[16]  256B    39/   64:  64 (60%)  1 segs,   16392 total
Pool[17]  320B   170/  256:  32 (66%)  8 segs,   81984 total
Pool[18]  384B    49/   96:  16 (51%)  6 segs,   36912 total
Pool[19]  448B    21/   48:  16 (43%)  3 segs,   21528 total
Pool[20]  512B    14/   32:   8 (43%)  4 segs,   16416 total
Pool[21] 1024B    62/  128:  16 (48%)  8 segs,  131136 total
Pool[22] 2048B    13/   24:   8 (54%)  3 segs,   49176 total
Pool[23] 3072B     0/    4:   4 ( 0%)  1 segs,   12296 total
Pool[24] 4096B     0/    4:   4 ( 0%)  1 segs,   16392 total
Pool[25]   20B 12475/20480:4096 (60%)  5 segs,  409640 total
Pool[26]   64B     1/  128: 128 ( 0%)  1 segs,    8200 total
Pools used 1220708 of 2073544 (58%)
System pool used 483328
== 1454472
(in a new R3 session)
in R2 I have == 6145092
FlashPlayer has same or bigger memory footprint and is on pdas so 
why not R3
JohanAR
30-Oct-2007
[5263]
Don't know if this is the right place to ask but.. Will there be 
some easy way to access USB devices in Rebol3?
Pekr
30-Oct-2007
[5264]
no ....