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PeterWood
21-Nov-2007
[5347]
Does that mean I won't be able to build the equivalent of an R2 hash! 
with map! in R3?


I use a hash! to build a unique list of words as it was far quicker 
than any other method I could come up with.
BrianH
21-Nov-2007
[5348]
Yeah, hash! has been replaced with map!, which is faster but more 
specialized. You could either use block!, assign true to the map! 
at the word key, or keep a word count.
sqlab
22-Nov-2007
[5349x3]
this works in R2

 key-counts/:key: 1 + any [select key-counts :key  do [repend key-counts 
  [:key 0] 0 ] ]
key-counts/:key: 1 + any [select key-counts :key do [repend key-counts 
:key 0] ]
forget the second
PeterWood
22-Nov-2007
[5352]
Thanks for the suggestions: I think that I'll have to use  a map! 
with a dummy value as using a block! was too slow.
Oldes
26-Nov-2007
[5353]
I'm missing hash! in R3 because with map! I cannot use integers as 
keys... I hope it will be changed.
BrianH
26-Nov-2007
[5354]
It's hard in hash! as well, but I agree. There is some missing infrastructure 
around the map! type as well, like iteration and searching.
Mchean
10-Dec-2007
[5355]
has the conversation moved elsewhere?
Pekr
11-Dec-2007
[5356]
no, it is just some kind of slow-down period. Activities around R3 
should be renewed as we speak, it seems Gabriele and Cyphre will 
be back on R3 full-time soon. There is also draft of release strategy. 
It seems RT decided (upon suggestions) to divide R3 release, so we 
should see Core like R3 alpha in one month, View will come later 
(2 - 3 months)
Mchean
11-Dec-2007
[5357]
I should have figured... December is a slow month
PeterWood
12-Dec-2007
[5358]
I gleaned some good news from Docbase: work has started on implementing 
unicode support :-)
Henrik
13-Dec-2007
[5359]
Yes, this is Carl's main focus now.
Louis
13-Dec-2007
[5360]
That is great news. How far along is it?
Pekr
13-Dec-2007
[5361]
As for unicode, first draft should be in few days, or that is how 
I understand it :-)
Louis
13-Dec-2007
[5362]
Pekr, thanks Pekr, that is encouraging!
Kaj
13-Dec-2007
[5363]
Does this mean that R3 will not become available in DevBase for several 
more months?
Henrik
13-Dec-2007
[5364]
R3 mezzanines are already in devbase
Kaj
13-Dec-2007
[5365]
Yes, but does this mean that R3 as a running system will not be available 
in DevBase for several more months?
Henrik
13-Dec-2007
[5366]
what do you mean by "running system"? if you mean the R3 version 
of DevBase, I don't think it will be possible until VID3 is advanced 
enough.
Kaj
13-Dec-2007
[5367]
No, I mean the R3 product that was promised for two weeks ago
Henrik
13-Dec-2007
[5368]
it was? :-)
Kaj
13-Dec-2007
[5369]
Yes
Henrik
13-Dec-2007
[5370]
where did you read that?
Kaj
13-Dec-2007
[5371]
Carl wrote it on his blog
Henrik
13-Dec-2007
[5372]
so he hasn't yet gotten rid of the bad habit of posting estimate 
times... don't believe them. :-)
Kaj
13-Dec-2007
[5373x2]
Believe me, I have stopped believing
I'm just trying to get some information
Henrik
13-Dec-2007
[5375]
As I think I've mentioned (a million times) I would want those estimates 
never to be published. They are wrong 99% of the time anyway.
Kaj
13-Dec-2007
[5376]
That's what I, and we, asked here a few months ago. There are still 
promises being made
Henrik
13-Dec-2007
[5377]
Ok, currently the latest build provides support for modules, but 
some tests need to be done on that. There are also some discussions 
on how to do proper testing. We're not good testers. Now Carl is 
working on unicode and how R3 should support it. There is also talks 
about a document which provides the real roadmap to R3, but I don't 
think it's done.
Pekr
13-Dec-2007
[5378]
Kaj - I was successfull on pushing the idea of "core like" release.
Kaj
13-Dec-2007
[5379]
But is the roadmap in addition to the DevBase release, or does it 
preempt it?
Pekr
13-Dec-2007
[5380]
Last week Carl posted detailed plan, of what features are needed 
for what part of schedule. According to that document, Core like 
release should be in December (this year). I think it might be delayed 
one or two weeks, that is my estimate, as the end of the year is 
close.
Kaj
13-Dec-2007
[5381]
But is it going to be in DevBase before that, or is it postponed 
again for several months?
Pekr
13-Dec-2007
[5382]
what should be postponed for several months? I think DevBase is nearly 
ready/ok for initial release. It is just question of uploading the 
first release there ...
Henrik
13-Dec-2007
[5383]
I'm still not sure what you mean by "be in DevBase". The source code 
for R3 DLL is closed and won't be put in DevBase. Only the open parts, 
the mezzanines, the port code, device code, all that is already in 
devbase.
Pekr
13-Dec-2007
[5384]
Henrik - not all C (host related) code is in devbase. Device code 
was released by my request IIRC. But I can see no problem that once 
ready, all open-source parts will be there.
Henrik
13-Dec-2007
[5385]
pekr, ah, yes, correct.
Pekr
13-Dec-2007
[5386]
I wonder if DevBase could carry even binary files? E.g. rebol.dll 
and host.exe?
Kaj
13-Dec-2007
[5387]
Parts of R3 being in DevBase is useless if there is no dev release 
to work with. Such a dev release was promised for last month, and 
then early this month. Is it still going to happen?
Henrik
13-Dec-2007
[5388x2]
I think it can carry anything.
Kaj, yes, there will be an early release, according to the roadmap.
Pekr
13-Dec-2007
[5390]
Kaj - yes, it is going to happen. In fact - I had some private chat 
with Carl, trying to explain him, that we should do something concrete. 
That is why I pushed for core-like release sooner, than full View 
release later, while initially most other users were against my proposition. 
Carl decided, that it will be that way. The plan was set, and now 
Carl is heading towards the core-like initial alpha release.
Kaj
13-Dec-2007
[5391]
That was not said so far. Does the roadmap start with the dev release 
as promised for right about now? Will that still include View?
Pekr
13-Dec-2007
[5392]
internal term was end of December. Dunno if it can be fulfilled. 
I expect one or two weeks ....
Henrik
13-Dec-2007
[5393]
Kaj, I don't think View will be included until VID3 is done.
Kaj
13-Dec-2007
[5394]
So it is postponed for several more months
Pekr
13-Dec-2007
[5395]
yes ...
Henrik
13-Dec-2007
[5396]
Kaj, the annoying thing is that unrealistic time tables were published. 
We could see that immediately that it was too little time to do this 
work. I don't feel there is anything being postponed. Everything 
is going according to plan... just ignore the time tables.