World: r3wp

All;  I'm the volunteer for the new VID 3 documentation.  (And don't 
really feel that worthy, but that can't be an excuse to make it complete, 
concise and a nice read ... anyway ...)  It's only just in initial 
draft still (my bad), but it's all to save Gabriele and the rest 
of the core team time so they can get to the important bits.  


If you have anything that needs clarification, discoveries, how-to, 
complaints, well anything; please drop a note to this group, the 
btiffin user chat or please feel free to update the discussions page 
from http://rebol.net/wiki/VID_User_Guideand we'll try and keep 
some of the flotsam and jetsom noise out of Carl, Gabriele, Richard 
and Henrik's way while they finalize the REBOL 3 VID.   (And being 
a wiki, feel free to update the actual doc for that matter; keeping 
in mind that consistent style and tone is also one of the goals.).

Thanks and cheers.

btiffin, I would prioritize all the new stuff at first to get everyone 
up to speed.  I know that Carl use to supply us with a changes document 
to simply update us on the changes with a new release.  That might 
suffice better to get everyone up to speed faster.

Perhaps another page referenced in the Welcome section. VID3 is based 
on a different semantic model, so we shouldn't expect there to be 
a whole lot in common with VID2. It would probably be better to not 
confuse the VID3 docs with comparisons to VID2.

Brian, that is a huge bunch of work you have got in there already! 
 Will try and give a hand with the obvious things at least though 
I am less worthy than you by a good bit.

Has any Mac user tried to get the Alpha going yet, via parallels 
on an intel mac or darwine on a ppc mac?

btiffin, I was playing a bit with VID3 today and had trouble with 
Options. I think it would be good to have a listing of the Options 
available for each Style. 

In particular, I was trying to control the lenght of a field, alas 
without success.

Jean: mainly because things are not complete yet. in the end, options 
will be more consistant across styles (and they will look a bit more 
like CSS when it comes to look options).

in any case, the size of a field can be set by providing a second 
string. ideally, that would be the "mask" string (that tells what 
chars are allowed and so on), but it's currently only used as an 
example to determine the size.

for eg, if your field will hold a percentage, you could write:   
field "3%" "100%"     so that it will be appropriately sized so that 
"100%" would be visible in it without scrolling.

REBOL 3 works fine in VMWare Fusion on an intel mac.

it is also currently the only way for me run run rebol 2 :-)

Henrik, you mean rebol2/view right? Would it take much time for Carl 
to build an intel version for osx ?

I imagine he's quite busy right now.

but yes, I would love a version for OSX Leopard

and yes, I meant REBOL/View :-) Core runs fine.

nice alpha, any chance to get get some pre-information how to use/test 
 task!  ?   f-t: make task! [ ] [  print now/precise] ?

I did only some small test ... I posted some short console data, 
but can't remember where :-)

>> test: make task! [wait 10 print ["Does tasking work?" newline]]
== task!
>> do test
Begin Task
== task!
>> print "Doing something else in console..."
Doing something else in console...
>> Does tasking work?

End Task

>>

thx pekr,  will try this.

strange, wait - within the task will crash rebol

really? Above code worked back in October ...

yes, it works via console but not with vid

test: make task! [wait 10 print ["Does tasking work?" newline]]

 view [

    h2 "Task" 
    button "Start" 	[do test]
    button "Stop"  	[   ]
    button "Quit" 	[unview none]
]

without wait it works..but ok it's alpha...

Confirmed.

Tasks don't work very well yet. AFAIK, this will be solved after 
modules are finalized, after Unicode.

new blog regarding loading, encoders/decoders - http://www.rebol.net/r3blogs/0109.html

TomBon;  Last I heard, Carl confirmed that tasks are not yet advertised 
as ready for primetime.

modules are probably a good thing to test. we have only few test 
cases for that.

thx for the info btiffin.

Henrik, thanks for the vmware note, good to know - also the issue 
with rebol 2 on the newer macs, wasn't thinking about both sides 
of the problem.

It seems to work on macs that were upgraded from Tiger without doing 
a clean install or an archive and install. Some library is being 
carried over from the Tiger install, I think.

Ah, I remember the issue now.  That is a pain, it does work fine 
for me in Leopard.  If you need more help tracking down what is different 
let me know, don't mind poking around for you.  I have both intel 
and ppc macs that are still on tiger that might help as well.

well, I've tried digging out the version numbers for libraries used 
on both Leopard machines that work and Leopard machines that don't 
work and the version numbers are the same.

It's possible, although unlikely, that 10.5.2 would fix the issue, 
but I don't know.

I would imagine that REBOL isn't the only program that stopped working 
like this.

at least not on 10.5.2 beta

I know it's far away but what are the design-plans for compiling 
with the upcoming SDK3. 

Do we still compile/pack into one executable file, or one executable 
+ hostlib?

It is one !extrem! cool feature that compiled/packed rebol doesn't 
need additional files 
even own system lib's or other garbage/bloatware to run.

one file

the .dll is just for developers. when you download from rebol.com 
you get just rebol.exe like with r2.

good to know, thx gabriele

Could an Admin here please put this group in the REBOL divider?

I've been reading the R3 docs and I can't wait to start working on 
an IDE again.  Unfortunately I don't have enough time to really chase 
that again...  Yet!

ammon, do you have ideas for an IDE? I'm building an R2 IDE, but 
am a little stuck as to its usefulness.

Yes, I have LOTS of ideas for an IDE! 


A few months after joining the REBOL community (very soon after IOS 
was released) I actually started a funded IDE project for REBOL. 
 I spent quite a bit of time discussing these ideas with Carl who 
agreed to release it as THE REBOL IDE but unfortunately the funding 
died.  I've tried numerous times to renew the project all to no avail.

this is good :-) are you doing something specifically inspired by 
a specific kind? eclipse? xcode? visual studio?

I'm making one that resembles XCode, but it seems to me that when 
I need to arrange files and build files, it's simpler for me to just 
build a small dialect and handle it all inside a text editor

perhaps we should move to an IDE group

Yes, indeed.

you go make one if it doesn't exist.