World: r3wp

well that's my personal taste the only way to get me spend hours 
on a GUI  is when I write a brand new widget  ^^

other while I like the short GUI code provided in VID2

In general, how often do you write new widgets, and how often do 
you just use them?

hum depend with VID2 most of my work was doing widgets lol

With the exception of the resize code (my real biggest VID2 project), 
most of my VID work was just using them :)

but anyway that's another way to organise the code maybe the most 
of ppl will like it and I still can do a  bridge dialect VID2-> VID3 
 to keep my habits  in GUI  coding  hihihihi

I will label that bridge MakeVID2  lol

like a makedoc but for VID2 -> VID3

I did notice that you have to create new widgets in VID2 a lot more 
than seemed necessary to me. I hope that most people can get away 
with just using widgets in their code, and leave the widget creation 
to the GUI designers (which I am not).

yeah but hum with VID2 If you wanted something hum looking a little 
bit pro (before rebGUI) you was obligated to build your own widgets 
or customize the existing ones ...

Yup, that is definitely the case with VID2. With VID3, you are supposed 
to just be able to download a professional looking skin made by someone 
like Henrik and get back to the work of doing your aplication :)

but hum .... I like to play with widgets  ^^

Then you will be someone I will call upon when I need to do an application 
:)

lol

if i can use my makeVID2 we get a deal lol

(check private)

Oscar is in real world use even now, as part of Syllable.

No, it's ORCA

Sorry :)

I mistyped. How is ORCA doing?

Indeed it's being in active use in Syllable, both Desktop and Server. 
Regarding development, it's currently in maintenance mode

Orca is a REBOL-like interpreter which can be used under the terms 
of either the GPL or LGPL.


The interpreter is a C library so that C/C++ applications can use 
Orca as an embedded scripting system.

Hum integrated in a C library that reminds me something ....

ORCA THERE  --> http://trac.geekisp.com/orca/wiki

I'm looking of what can be done and how it can be done with orca 
hum compare to rebol that's a short version.

on language structure i realy don't see why it revendicates to be 
a rebol like VM ....

it's more like a shell ... than rebol

no block structure and rebol is all about the block !!

ORCA code example:

last: := " "; line :=" " ;  i:= 1; line := item [i] ++ " " number[i]; 
if i  > n then do do last := item[i]; i := i + 1etc ....

hum this orca wiki is inactive since 2 years

hum i make a mistake the code samle igived is thune

http://trac.geekisp.com/orca/wiki/OrcaProject<- seems like a better 
start point...

So Carl is back for a bit. We're having a little chat. Will post 
a summary when we're done.

(it's quite interesting!)

Henrik, please, can you ask Carl if there will be the some kind of 
breakpoint, variable inspection, change code and continue in R3 ?
(Thanks for sharing)

Question posted :-)

Carl surfaced for air and dived again.  He asked about help naming 
the new "VID" system without calling it "VID".

http://hmkdesign.dk/rebol/files/90e3407319954c2fb00e1665fdbd0e22-128.html
<--- Summary here.

Henrik thanks for posting.  That sounds a bit like how I currently 
dev my gui apps.  They behave like webpages for the most part.

Carl is still wondering how to name thing ....I think really that's 
not the main problem actually ... I'm more interrested to know how 
the dev goes according to the road map than knowing how rebol VM 
without View is going to be called how REBOL language is going to 
be named how rebol/view is going to be named next ...

a stronger link betwin "networking" and "visual" modules ??? hum 
that's like if Carl was preteneding we can't already do that !!?? 
What VID (or what ever called (turtle, springler, widlets reblets, 
reboing, rebelistic-view-system,widbol)  needs is a better Interface 
Human machin a better set of functionnalities  to reflect the most 
of the visual capabilities of now in days computers and a better 
set of widgets.... (call it cosmetic (code and rendering) and performancies 
to be short )

the remaining questions are  futil  and worthless .... I prefere 
a no mane thing working than a named thing not working ....

ummm... yes, I did suggest that !

interresting questions: what is the new road map (with deadlines) 
whowill participate?  actual gabrile code remains or is it trashed 
?  in the futur how can we organise the community to apport more 
and in amore productivly way?  what is the real main vision he have 
on view? does it's going to be an easy to  build  fexible and easy 
to update visual  IHM  or does it going to be nothing more than a 
webrowser (and bro if that's your vision you are a decade too late 
there is plenty of web browser and most of thempropose way to extend 
them with minimal coding .... )

Gabriele will continue to use his own code and perhaps finish it 
... unless Carl's is so much better!

Devbase is supposed to be the instrument of collaboration.  You can 
download it now and use it.

does rebol fanatic commmunity can stand more of the I work I disapear 
and I come back to restart all AAAAAAAAAAAgain with new ideas ? don't 
you think carl that's what is killing REBOL  and make him stays in 
the underground community darkness ?

He says he's building a new gui system ... don't really know what 
that means.

But he wants to make it simpler to build interfaces