World: r3wp

for IDE that's too an old dream of us pending to the lack of often 
release ....

I don't want to start programming an IDE if at the end of the year 
I have to redo all the work because rebol3 is realeased and I have 
to change the whole IDE

but the IDE is an IDE in rebol to do rebol software.... But why an 
IDE  in rebol ??? Well for a  lot of reason 1) promotion purpose 
.... Rebol don't need anything else than rebol to do his dev tools 
... and if we can do dev tools as sharp as you can see it with rebol 
that means rebol can do alot for your company too. 2) cause rebol 
 is what we are doing here  ^^... Other language are other languages 
More rebol to save the people  ^^.... 3) because who knows better 
what we need and what we want than us  maybe the strongest and the 
first to believe in rebol  4) because IDE in rebol can make us share 
the code and work together on a base project where anyone will apport 
his ideas tries and that's what is a community all about doing there 
own project on their sides sharing informations and experiencies 
and gathering around hudge project or mendatory projects  ( like 
rebgui  ^^)

Thanks for the info Shadwolf.  I see your frustration and noticed 
some of those projects over the years.

I would not start working on an R3 IDE until R3 is feature stable 
(sometime around beta release). R3 contains in its current version 
more debugging and profiling functions than the public alpha and 
there might be more to come. It could be that Carl sees a good direction 
for an IDE at some point.

I have no intention at this time, thats for sure.

Sw: I guess you see an IDE as having some built-in collaboration 
tools (as per #4)?  #3 -- Rebollers, for some reason, have a very 
hard time using someone else's code -- that's part of why it's difficult 
to establish a repository.  Perhaps an IDE would bridge this as it 
would allow developers to bring in 'modules' seemlessly?  #1 -- look 
at Ruby and Rails for a language/framework that is successful in 
spite of IDE availability.  They use that language as a strength 
and rely on the quality of 3rd party editors (TextMate?) to make 
it accessible.  Not to mention immediate availability within all 
but Windows OS (sigh)

My goal with QM is to deliver a high-level entry point for developing 
web applications (and a fledgling sister project in app development) 
that gets you started quickly, reduces the quirk quotient, structures 
the environment, and is above all expressive.  I see this as the 
hook.  Depth comes with initial success...

Chris, I think the thing we lack in REBOL is that we don't have any 
collaborations really.  What I mean is the partnering of each others 
products and putting them out as a solution.  Think of QM and TRETBASE 
or some other product and then maybe that powering Henriks forum 
just to give you an idea.

Collaboration and community development is a goal of DevBase.

What is the status of REBOL3 right now?

usable but not complete

Louis:

http://www.hmkdesign.dk/rebol/files/90e3407319954c2fb00e1665fdbd0e22-128.html

http://www.hmkdesign.dk/rebol/files/2d1fc42665bf4b0db081b79d236a3b38-129.html

Henrik, many thanks for the blog links. Very interesting.

Is unicode support finished?

it's implemented, although there are still compatibility bugs left 
some places.

unicode has changed many things on a basic level. this affects some 
mezzanines which need to be fixed.

I figured unicode support would be very complex, but I think now 
that it was even more complex than I thought. It will be very helpful 
to me. Thanks for the info, Henrik!

I am not aware of any bugs in the mezzanines relative to Unicode, 
but there are a few in the natives. Overall the code could use a 
conceptual audit for Unicode compatibility, though a great deal of 
this has been done already.

If anyone else knows of specific bugs in the mezzanines that relate 
to Unicode, please bring them up here or in the applicable forums.

BrianH, well I guess I counted indirect changes in. If you look at 
the latest bugs, some mezzanines still expect non-binary input for 
WRITE and non-binary output for READ.

I'll check. Thanks for the heads-up.

That bug can't be fixed without the string-to-binary encoding and 
decoding infrastructure being there. Those native functions don't 
exist yet because their design is not finalized.

For that matter, I recall that there was some talk of changing the 
SAVE and LOAD functions completely. It is an unresolved design issue, 
unless Carl's current work includes string encoding and decoding 
as well.

So to answer Louis' question: Not yet, as far as we know. The data 
structures for Unicode strings are there, as are UTF-8 word! values, 
but binary encoding and decoding is not yet there, and there are 
some limts to Unicode input and output (mostly due to the Windows 
console). The encoding/decoding work seems likely to get done as 
a part of Carl's GUI work, as that will probably include text display. 
The console IO limits are likely to remain until the written-in-REBOL 
GUI console is adopted.

This is all an informed guess though :(

Thanks, Brian.

Carl "A PANEL is a group of FACES, each of which are of a STYLE" 
= Vid3.4

Carl "Yes, this week I'll begin writing a lot more about the concepts, 
and provide examples, screenshots, and a diagram or two."

Carl "Yes, I have had the GUI running for some time..."

this week I'll begin writing a lot more about the concepts...
, which means it'll probably be ready in a couple of months. :-)

A little funny for those familiar with Jesse's diets : )

henrik T____________________________T (/cry)

so any news regarding the announced specs ?

nope

but does a panel be transparent  ?

VID  new name suggestion of the day by shadwolf VooDoo ( Visual object 
oooooh Display objects oooooooh )

we have no such details yet

still  no news from rebol3  so i propose you this work of mine to 
entertain you ^^ http://shadwolf.free.fr/RTE-line-Shad-03.r

enjoy folks  (more to come later that's only a 2 day work yes lot 
more things are to be done what  works the keyboard arrow left and 
right the backspace )

and ofcourse formated text insertion

(side note don't look the source code it's ugly ....)

it's very slow!

the right arrow won't go past the last character

slow ?

on my Crey C-90 that's smoothy :P

yes, the typing.

also, if you use the arrow left you can't type again at the end.

ouai  that's a little bug but hum I don't see it slow  really ....

this is on my IBM AT 286