World: r3wp

So easily distracted ...

BTW, I don't think what Oldes does influences Carl ...

Have I missed something ? Isn't vBulletting or phpBBS the choice 
?

Writing an entire BBS system in Rebol ? It will take 3 months !

Someone has eaten to much on tanksgiving day.

Yeah ... I think it's crazy.  Perhaps Carl subconscioiusly fears 
failure and doesn't realy want to release alpha - so he keeps coming 
up with blocking requests like this.

Unfortunately I am beginning to see Carl as the weakest link in this 
whole process.   The last time this happened ...  Jaime went to his 
house to persuade him to release something, and he did.  Now Jaime 
is gone ....

Perhaps all the R3 contributors need to get together to formulate 
a strategy/plan .... and present it to Carl.  Otherwise we're all 
wasting our time here.

Hmm.... looks like no one agrees.  Perhaps we let this farce continue 
....

All I can do is withdraw my offer to assist

with setting up the new server and software

in protest

Graham - we can't do anything ...

No, not true.

we can refuse to be a part of the comedy of errors

It may come as a surprise because I have previously made it clear 
that I think the delays are very harmful, but I actually think that 
Carl's current decision to do a BBS is a good strategy

Carl once again runs in circles, and ppl are becoming upset. Still 
dragging our attention by blogs, questions, but with zero resolution 
to final decisions. This project is pretty much missmanaged, and 
RT without marketing manager and really a solid aproach is a bad 
joke.

Sorry Kaj ... but you're not making sense

How can Carl's decision to write a BBS be rational?

I'd be interested to have you explain why?

Why now at this critical juncture?

After 10 years he wants to write a BBS .. he's already written one 
with Gregg, volker etc

Because people are overestimating the time it will take to bring 
up a small BBS

It's not rational

I think Carl will do it quite quickly, and all his reasons for it 
hold water

he's already said he does not  want to be distracted from GUI and 
core

And I think he wants to write a Rebol client as well ....

I was actually surprised that he considered the available alternatives. 
I know they suck and need to be replaced

What is this but another distraction ...?

kaj ... it's called a temporary measure ...

pending someone eg Oldes, writing a BBS.

Kaj - this is plain nonsense. We saw it with Carl's going in cave 
for Unicode, as well as for DevBase, as well as Rebservices - still 
the same - wait for some dependency, which never gets finished.

I was really harsh on r3-alpha channel, but if such leadership was 
in some of my subteams, I would fire such person pretty soon!

Do you think the solution lies in making my and Carl's opinion out 
ot be nonsense?

The reason he gives is totally inadequate ... it's just some type 
of internal conflict resolution he is making to try and delay

Typical reaction. Who tries to make you opinion being nonsense? The 
thing either help organisation of the whole project, or it does not.

As Ashley says, Carl plays while Rome burns

and Kaj, and Oldes are supporting instrumentals

We really need to get to the state, where others can start to participate. 
And it will happen only if there is some kind of DevBase functional 
and Carl ready to upload R3 sources in there. I do understand the 
need for the existance of supporting infrastructure, but it can be 
done in parallel. We constantly wait for this or that, instead of 
releasing something ..

I'm reminded of an old Amiga product ... Fantavision

well, I've said my piece... back to coding

Graham: Carl replied on f3-alpha

Graham, I think you need to review the concept of web-public.

Pekr, Carl has said that the PARSE enhancements have been put on 
the backburner until the release, but he'll get to them afterwards. 
This means that we won't get the enhanced PARSE in the next developer 
release.

never minds. I say - release on monthly basis, ppl will sort it out. 
Those releases are really needed, even if supporting infrastructure 
is not there. We have clever devs here, we can sort it out and work 
on things in parallel. Simply put - give ppl somting, and they will 
shut up :-)

Do you promise?

Kaj - this is unnecessary invective. I am not little chaild to be 
taught by others, how should I behave.

I didn't mean it that way. I'm not telling you, I'm asking

The thing is, I doubt people will ever shut up

I am simply not buying and agreeing to everything Carl says, just 
because he is well respected guru. If you think I attack Carl or 
others, you are wrong. I am just against some basic principles of 
management .