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Pekr
15-Jan-2009
[9580x2]
I agree with btiifin, that 'tags for numbers would be nice. It would 
be nice to have e.g. R3 heading tagged as R3, and refer to it as 
R3 instead of the need to remember the number. I think that once 
GUI is available, this point will be moot. But I agree to provide 
some directory navigation like functionality.
So far it still esapes me, how such system is going to be usefull, 
if not linked to CureCode comments (BrianH proposed something here), 
not linked to DevBase, etc.
Graham
15-Jan-2009
[9582]
there is "b" to go up
Pekr
15-Jan-2009
[9583]
'b as 'back. I wanted .., or cd .. :-)
Graham
15-Jan-2009
[9584x2]
sure ...
Well, it all seems pretty primitive at present
Henrik
15-Jan-2009
[9586]
Pekr, we are not yet using bots or tags. Bots will be extremely powerful.
Graham
15-Jan-2009
[9587]
I have to spend more time not less to see what's new...
Henrik
15-Jan-2009
[9588]
A GUI client will certainly help usability, but since we have console, 
we can use it over SSH and that's a great thing.
kib2
15-Jan-2009
[9589]
Hi. Henrik, thanks for your answer on Carl's blog.
Henrik
15-Jan-2009
[9590]
kib2, it's unfortunate there is confusion. releasing software should 
be simple, but it's not.
Pekr
15-Jan-2009
[9591]
Can we use it via SSH? Hmm, interesting ....
Graham
15-Jan-2009
[9592]
SSH ??
Pekr
15-Jan-2009
[9593]
Well, it is more flexible than Altme and Carl wanted to be some prototype 
start of new Altme. It has real threading, tagging, ranking, private 
messaging, is spriptable. So good so far. But - we also need read-only 
groups, private groups, or other app schema over it.
Henrik
15-Jan-2009
[9594]
pekr, when we get an R3 for real operating systems, of course.
Graham
15-Jan-2009
[9595]
So, I use my cellphone to ssh to another box so that I can then run 
the chat??
Henrik
15-Jan-2009
[9596]
Graham, yes, just like you can SSH to a linux box and use Rebol/Core 
through that already now.
kib2
15-Jan-2009
[9597]
for sure! Just a newbie question: as I've to wait for R3, is there 
a way to have a descent font rendering on Windows (antialiased) ? 
Ugly courier fonts really annoying for working/ reading AltMe messages.
Pekr
15-Jan-2009
[9598x2]
Gabriele - read my comment above, please. Those 3 namead are prominent 
App servers, not webservers. Your team should really think to implement 
some file options ...
ah, wrong group ... sorry ..
Henrik
15-Jan-2009
[9600]
kib2, not for AltME. REBOL/View (which AltME is based on) is hardwired 
to non-antialiased fonts in its View engine.
kib2
15-Jan-2009
[9601]
Henrik : so I really have to wait for R3!
Henrik
15-Jan-2009
[9602x2]
kib2, yes and I hate to say it again, but: R3 also solves this problem. 
:-) It's quite amazing how many times I've said that now.
Graham, the console client is also because Carl uses SSH quite a 
lot in different locations, which is why he started with a console 
client instead of a GUI one.
kib2
15-Jan-2009
[9604]
This is really cruel...waiting for something that may never come!
Graham
15-Jan-2009
[9605x4]
If you die tonight ... well, everything will never come.
don't sweat over things you have no control over!
So, is Carl going to prevent developments that will eventually render 
this type of chat unusable in a console?
like attachments, formatted code, or color syntax coding etc
Henrik
15-Jan-2009
[9609]
That's an interesting question. Perhaps you should ask that in RebDev. 
:-)
Graham
15-Jan-2009
[9610]
Just wondering how this will all scale over different devices and 
media
kib2
15-Jan-2009
[9611]
bad joke, but R3 it's like Perl 6 for me.
Graham
15-Jan-2009
[9612]
I don't want to be a negative influence :)
Henrik
15-Jan-2009
[9613]
Graham, I think that if the message format is going to get more complex, 
there would still be ways to parse it for console use.
Pekr
15-Jan-2009
[9614x2]
kib2: why? Perl 6 is in development two times the R3. And one year 
ago there was a public alpha. Soon enough there will be another one. 
This time with final GUI architecture (although not complete yet)
Henrik - is rebdev usable from R2? It has much better console. Windows 
one sucks, I can't set it wider easily ...
Henrik
15-Jan-2009
[9616x2]
kib2, I know, but as I can see now, making a programming language 
is no picnic. This is the first time I've witnessed it close up. 
There is still a long way to go.
pekr, no, r2 console version is low priority. Carl wants to do R3 
GUI version next.
Pekr
15-Jan-2009
[9618]
good to know GUI is next. It will help to further improve GUI ...
Graham
15-Jan-2009
[9619]
html version should be next ...
Henrik
15-Jan-2009
[9620]
Graham, that would delay the GUI.
Graham
15-Jan-2009
[9621]
ok, concurrent then :)
Henrik
15-Jan-2009
[9622x2]
The only way to truly speed up development would be to clone Carl.
So Carl1 could focus on rebdev, Carl2 could focus on tasks and Carl3 
could focus on modules. Carl4 would work on the GUI and ReBrowser.
Graham
15-Jan-2009
[9624x2]
just give us more docs and we can do this
that's really the point of collaboration
Henrik
15-Jan-2009
[9626]
But can we provide stuff of high enough quality for him? That's the 
issue.
kib2
15-Jan-2009
[9627]
Pekr: I wasn't aware of the GUI stuff.
Graham
15-Jan-2009
[9628]
if that's an issue .. then he should close off all collaboration.
Henrik
15-Jan-2009
[9629]
It is _the_ issue. Carl trusts no one unless you can work at his 
level. And that is also why the quality of R3 alpha feels like everyone 
elses release versions. :-)