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[unknown: 5]
21-Jan-2009
[9768]
Your storing data in blocks into a file that is one large container 
block?
Steeve
21-Jan-2009
[9769]
the virtual block acts like block. you can store any type of values 
in it (which are blocks or not)
[unknown: 5]
21-Jan-2009
[9770]
So is a virtual block in essence a file?
Steeve
21-Jan-2009
[9771]
yes
[unknown: 5]
21-Jan-2009
[9772]
Is the whole file loaded into memory at once or is data read from 
it in chunks?
Steeve
21-Jan-2009
[9773]
chuncks, i said no memory overhead, if not there is no interests 
to develop such scheme
Henrik
21-Jan-2009
[9774]
so we can basically manage gigabyte sized blocks?
[unknown: 5]
21-Jan-2009
[9775x2]
Yes, good.
So does it maintain the index order of the individual blocks within 
it?
Steeve
21-Jan-2009
[9777x2]
yes Henrik, we can
yes Paul it uses 2 files: an index and the data
[unknown: 5]
21-Jan-2009
[9779]
Oh, I see.
Henrik
21-Jan-2009
[9780]
Steeve, I could use that. :-)
[unknown: 5]
21-Jan-2009
[9781]
This is a bit like Tretbase.
Henrik
21-Jan-2009
[9782]
so the data is a plain binary?
[unknown: 5]
21-Jan-2009
[9783]
Tretbase uses data and a index.
Steeve
21-Jan-2009
[9784]
yes Paul like your tretbase conception, the only difference is that 
it's a scheme and there is no new functions to deal with.
The programmer can continue to think is working with a block.
Mchean
21-Jan-2009
[9785]
does rebdev work with chat from r3?
[unknown: 5]
21-Jan-2009
[9786]
Cool Steeve.
Henrik
21-Jan-2009
[9787]
Mchean, rebdev is chat. Same thing.
[unknown: 5]
21-Jan-2009
[9788]
How is the  performance Steeve?
Steeve
21-Jan-2009
[9789]
No Henrik, the data are stored like rebol values (not in binary or 
other obfuscated format).

It means that you can load the data files (with load %data) and you 
will load that whole block into memory.
Pavel
21-Jan-2009
[9790]
Steeve&Paul where to read about I missed the point
[unknown: 5]
21-Jan-2009
[9791]
About  what part Pavel?
Henrik
21-Jan-2009
[9792]
Steeve, could the file be compressed or is that too much overhead 
or unfit for the scheme?
Pavel
21-Jan-2009
[9793]
virtual block scheme
[unknown: 5]
21-Jan-2009
[9794x2]
That is Steeve's design.
Mine is a bit different.
Mchean
21-Jan-2009
[9796]
Henrik when i enter chat in R3 console i get Script error: chat has 
no value
Pavel
21-Jan-2009
[9797]
is it available?
Steeve
21-Jan-2009
[9798]
Paul, i can't test the perfs currently, because there is some remaining 
bugs in the file scheme, so that i have to open close the ports each 
time a value is append in the block.
[unknown: 5]
21-Jan-2009
[9799]
Virutual block scheme? - I think it is going to be in R3.
Pavel
21-Jan-2009
[9800]
OK
[unknown: 5]
21-Jan-2009
[9801x4]
Yes, I konw how that is.
In Tretbase, I decide to incorporate a second method that uses just 
the data file and reads blocks from it.
It required that I had to create a block parser.
So it is essential like read/lines but instead it reads blocks.
Henrik
21-Jan-2009
[9805x2]
mchean, it's only available in the latest alpha.
>> source chat
chat: make function! [[
    "Open REBOL DevBase forum/BBS." /local err
][
    print "Fetching chat..."
    if error? err: try [do http://www.rebol.com/r3/chat.rnone] [

        either err/id = 'protocol [print "Cannot load chat from web."] [do 
        err]
    ]
    exit
]]
Steeve
21-Jan-2009
[9807]
Henrik, there is no need to automaticly compress the  data. If you 
want so, just append compressed data in the block.
>> append v-block compress data
Henrik
21-Jan-2009
[9808]
Steeve, that takes up double size on disk, doesn't it?
Steeve
21-Jan-2009
[9809]
don't see your point Henrik, double size compared with what ?
Henrik
21-Jan-2009
[9810]
compared to an actual binary. you said, that data was stored as plain 
REBOL data in the file.
Steeve
21-Jan-2009
[9811]
but if you want to store binary data, just add binary data, i do 
not any conversion, store your data int he format you want
Mchean
21-Jan-2009
[9812]
thanks
Steeve
21-Jan-2009
[9813]
hum, i see your point now henrik, yes even binary data are stored 
as rebol values, so that there take much more space.
Henrik
21-Jan-2009
[9814]
yes, that's what I meant. :-)
Steeve
21-Jan-2009
[9815]
perhaps i will add on option in the scheme to store data as pure 
binaries
Henrik
21-Jan-2009
[9816]
it might be useful in cases where you want to store images and such.
Steeve
21-Jan-2009
[9817]
right