World: r3wp

Having to set the proxy on the control panel may not be enough. There 
are lots of people out there, who don't know what a proxy is.

Henrik - why should it? There is no IE to support on other platforms. 
And imo other browsers on Linux/OS-X use NS compatible plug-in. And 
imo it should be even compatible API wise.

Ingo - I don't understand - most of the time, you don't care of proxy, 
if you don' know what it is ;-)

... but if you want to get to the internet, and you are behind one, 
someone has to set it - you, or your admin :-)

In my world a browser plugin that only works on windows is worthless. 
And this is the REBOL plugin. Think about that bold statement about 
those 40+ systems REBOL works on. But the plugin is windows only 
???

ditto

Pekr, right. So I set it the internet up for Ma Dalton. Then she 
finds that interesting website, but the plugin just doesn't work.

... and in a company, do you want the admin to walk to all boxes 
just to set up Rebol/plugin?

Ingo, sorry, but you either don't know what you are talking about 
or it is kind of big misunderstanding .....

if you want to get yourself to the internet, and you are behind the 
proxy, either you know how to set it, or you don't have access to 
the internet. Or your ISP gives you adice of how to fill-in proxy 
settings ...

Maybe a bit of both .. I don't know :-)

I do agree about cross platform issues. I hope it will come. Josh 
is doing great job here  ....

I think it's about RT claiming support for many platforms where it 
would only turn out to be a half truth. Windows is already by far 
the best supported REBOL platform. A windows only plugin only skews 
the support even more.

To me Ingo makes sense. HE is around the first time, makes browser 
working, a while later she downloads this pluginin without him aorund. 
says things like control-panel.

Remember older plug-in? There was no chance of getting plug-in for 
Mozilla/FF, Opera. No chance for multiple instances. Now we have 
them, in beta, auto installation. Last thing to be fixed is the proxy 
thing and fixing some bugs. Then Josh can look at compiling to other 
platforms ...

Volker - how is that? Our idea is to set-up proxy automatically ...

Because Ingo set up firefox and firefox has its own proxy-settings 
and rest of windows knows nothing about?

but maybe we don't need to solve it that way, simply suggesting in 
docs, that users should set their proxy in control panel, that would 
be the easier way ....

yes ... and I pointed out where the problem is .... get-net-info 
.... let's revisit the function, it can be cured for 98% of cases 
.... I am just not able to fix it myself alone ...

I guess we got "upset" here

Yes that's what I was talking about ...

Volker - yes, becase I could also see typical attitude - first Josh 
stating we should contact Carl, as get-net-info is rebol part. Then 
he said they are looking at it .... and later on that we could actually 
submit such code .... then I prefer at least RT fixing incorrect 
IE (control panel) setting (they refer to incorrect registry path 
imo), because - I can then use control panel setting to get it working, 
and not instlling user.r somewhere at rudiculous cache directory 
...

I prefer RT fixing get-net-info properly though :-)

btw - could some guru help get scan-netscape-prefs etc. functions 
sources? Those functions can be found in get-net-info, but are not 
exposed to global context ... dunno how to get to them :-)

Josh ... please change your colour to red or something else prominent! 
 Thanks.  And I'll try and figure out why I get an illegal operation 
in FF and not IE.

Josh M:  my problems may be with the interface between the chair 
and the keyboard... I tried using the existing demo pages not even 
considering the new tags required for the html pages.  I will double 
check everything when I get a chance.  Sorry for possibly causing 
extra work on your part to trouble shoot.

Cross-platform: I encourage you to talk to Carl about your cross-platform 
thoughts. That's his area.

I'm going out of town for a few days, but I will go through your 
feedback when I return....in the meantime, please private msg me 
if I have ignored your question or problem with the latest plugin 
release.

Got the following error with relative LaunchURL under firefox (no 
problem under IE) :

** Access Error: Cannot open /C/Documents and Settings/Administrator/Local 
Settings/Temp/REBOL/Plugin/0/cgi-bin/ladybird.rcgi
** Near: do/args script system/script/args

Here is the OBJECT TAG :

<OBJECT ID="REBOL_IE" CLASSID="CLSID:9DDFB297-9ED8-421d-B2AC-372A0F36E6C5"

    CODEBASE="http://www.rebol.com/plugin/rebolb7.cab#Version=1,0,0,0"
    WIDTH="1024" HEIGHT="768" BORDER="1"
    >
    <PARAM NAME="bgcolor" value="#FF8080">
    <PARAM NAME="LaunchURL" value="cgi-bin/ladybird.rcgi">

    <embed name="REBOL_Moz" type="application/x-rebol-plugin-v1"
        WIDTH="1024" HEIGHT="768"

        bgcolor="#005000"
        LaunchURL="cgi-bin/ladybird.rcgi"
        >           
    </embed>
</OBJECT>

This bug is already reported .. relative paths not supported yet 
under FF.

Sorry ;-)

Nothing to be sorry about...it is all about getting feedback, everyone 
here that reports a bug to the rest of u saves us time, and makes 
the product better.

Anyone else having issues with the pg-2 in Win 2000? All I ever get 
is a black bar that looks like a thick cursor ("I" Bar).

In FF, that is. And a blank box (outline of layout container) in 
IE.

Question: If the plugin is running, is it than possible to establish 
from there something like a BEER session without having the firewall 
/proxy problems? IIRC the proxies grant direct TCP/IP access after 
a browser once passed.

James - yes, problems under W2K, both IE and Mozilla Suite. Two machines, 
one behind the proxy, second not. Exactly the same here - the black 
bar ....

Pekr, Ah, I'm not too crazy then. : )  Thanks.

Hi James, Pekr,


the html code is different for IE vs Mozilla plugins. I'm not sure 
wether the web-pages have already been updated accordingly. (Well, 
actually I'm rather sure they haven't ;-)

FYI: I have been reassigned to work on upcoming Win32 features for 
REBOL 3.0. Your feature requests, bug reports, and general feedback 
is still very important to us, but we won't be releasing a new version 
of the plugin for a while.

We didn't forget all the changes and new features we talked about 
[i.e. security, trusted scripts, etc.], but we're putting those on 
hold while we focus on REBOL 3.0 features.

what do win32 features for REBOL 3.0 mean? Anything specific? Rebol 
is meant being cross-platform, although many would like to see things 
like better systray, com interface etc. :-)

I wonder if it means that plug-in is nearly dead - how long will 
the hold take? Maybe few last-minute fixes for mozz/ff/IE would help? 
It does not work in W2K :-)

I'm not sure what I'm cleared to discuss.....we're working on improving 
REBOL's Win32 experience.

The IE plugin doesn't work in Win32?

Win2k?

experience

? Does it mean platform specific things, like integration with OS? 
The same goes for MAC? I think "experience", under Windows, is rather 
good ... but - good luck to your new venture - we are all looking 
towards R3 :-)

Yeah, at work, proxy or not, W2K - no go ...

Hmm. I'll look into that, but we won't have any fixes for a while. 
Sorry.

(Carl is out of the office and we can't release without him)

ok