World: r3wp
[!Cheyenne] Discussions about the Cheyenne Web Server
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Dockimbel 17-Aug-2007 [2104x2] | Maarten: thanks for the offering, but I'm not sure that the community is big enough for such funding. Anyway, funded or not, I'm going to work on it and finish it, a lot of our internal projects depend on it. It's just a short delay (a few weeks) before going rc1. |
Little teasing for rc1 : The win32 binary version of Cheyenne will natively (no 3rd party software) support running as service ;-). | |
Terry 17-Aug-2007 [2106] | Windows rawks. |
Graham 17-Aug-2007 [2107] | hmm. running as a service ... nice nice nice |
Pekr 17-Aug-2007 [2108] | just go to cmd.exe Window consoķe and type: net help start :-) So, IMO the trick is to use "net start cheyenne.exe" or something like that. Then you use "net stop cheyenne.exe". It should be equivalent of linux /etc/rc.d/init.d/service-name start |
Graham 18-Aug-2007 [2109] | I'm tried using Firedaemon to run Cheyenne as a windows service but noticed aberrant behaviour which I reported above. |
Robert 18-Aug-2007 [2110] | Petr, it's not that easy (unfortunately)... |
Dockimbel 18-Aug-2007 [2111] | Petr: Cheyenne has to be registered as a service before being able to start the Cheyenne service. |
btiffin 31-Aug-2007 [2112] | Graham; I just installed Vanilla under Cheyenne. It's working, but the lack of docs is making it a pain to configure. I'm not sure if setting vanilla.options.metadata "space-mode" "open" is the proper way to go about things or not, but keeping it "closed" doesn't seem to allow much. Until I figure out how to get associate status on user accounts, my test head is "open" but closed behind the firewall. But it seems to be working, if not a little rough around the edges now I'm getting used to MediaWiki. I think I might brave a kick at turning on PHP with Cheyenne, and then see if copies of MediaWiki and phpBB will run. If so, I might start building up a homesite for user.r right here in peoplecards.ca land, but not if it means a conversion to Apache to make a wiki and a forum work. Anyone going to tell me not to bother trying MediaWiki or phpBB because it won't work? |
Graham 31-Aug-2007 [2113x2] | the problem I had with mediawiki is the amount of spam I had to remove |
Good to know vanilla runs under Cheyenne .. it should be a lot faster running that way instead of under Apache. | |
btiffin 31-Aug-2007 [2115] | Oh, figured out how to Admin vanilla. Then went to remove the sticky on register-master and now I'm getting an endless redirect loop. Rebol with trace/net on is reporting /vanilla.cgi to //vanilla.cgi to ///vanilla.cgi ad infinitum. Before trying it with the .9.16 testhead (I still run .9.13 for production) I'm going to jump into playing with PHP5 and .9.16. MediaWiki and phpBB apt install for Debian both include Apache. Rassafrassa...making me work...pulling in everything by hand...rassafrassa :) |
amacleod 31-Aug-2007 [2116x2] | it should be a lot faster running that way instead of under Apache. Why? |
Do you think Apachi is bloated software or somthing...Just curious abbout your opinion | |
Graham 31-Aug-2007 [2118] | because vanilla runs Rebol code |
amacleod 31-Aug-2007 [2119] | gottcha! |
btiffin 31-Aug-2007 [2120] | Nope. Just a Cheyenne fan. The patchy server is just fine. But Cheyenne is REBOL :) |
Graham 31-Aug-2007 [2121] | so Apache invokes the rebol interpreter each time .. whereas with Cheyenne the interpreter is always resident |
btiffin 31-Aug-2007 [2122] | Oops, injecting comments into other people's chats.... my bad. |
Graham 31-Aug-2007 [2123x2] | I'm using Hayes Deki as a wiki now. |
comes with a REST api | |
amacleod 31-Aug-2007 [2125] | REST? |
Graham 31-Aug-2007 [2126x2] | Lots of apache rewriting going on .. so i just use the vmware appliance |
REpresentational State Transfer | |
amacleod 31-Aug-2007 [2128] | VMWARE Appliance...Which one? One with Apache? |
Graham 31-Aug-2007 [2129x3] | http://rest.blueoxen.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?FrontPage |
Hayes Deki | |
http://wiki.mindtouch.com/Deki_wiki | |
amacleod 31-Aug-2007 [2132] | My brain hurts..I'm using Rebol to make my life easier. I do not have time to figure out a new wiki or whatever every other day.. Nothing against you smarter guys but Iove rebol because I'm finally able to see a problem or need and solve it with a simple rebol app. !Cheyenne is my hope for an easy rebol path to the web without Java script, php, perl, AJAX etc. |
btiffin 31-Aug-2007 [2133] | Graham; Think I should persevere with Vanilla? It is REBOL. I'm questing for a good forum/wiki combo and the search started today, so I'll take any and all advice...as long it includes the word Cheyenne in it. :) I've decided to branch out of all REBOL mode but not too far and not at all if possible. But RBBS is not going to cut it for a forum in the long haul. |
amacleod 31-Aug-2007 [2134x2] | I have some major hopes for R3 and the web. I've seen what adobe and microsoft Silverlight offer and I want to be able to do thses things with rebol |
Btiffin ..now I appologize for interrupting a conversation | |
btiffin 31-Aug-2007 [2136] | Nothing left to do but smile smile smile. No problem Alan. I like what you are saying. |
Will 31-Aug-2007 [2137] | have a vanilla running in rsp not cgi, but still need to replace the session+logio with cheyenne session+login and I'd also want to put snip in a db |
btiffin 31-Aug-2007 [2138] | I don't think I would have pursued setting up peoplecards.ca without a REBOL web server behind it, and now to patiently wait for (or get motivated to write) a nice REBOL forum. :) |
amacleod 31-Aug-2007 [2139x2] | As much as I like the idea of Cheyenne i thing the Rebol plugin is the future. The adobe and Microsoft solutions seem to bypass HTML. If R3 can offer aht I think it promises why creat an html base site if you can make a rebol app and "plug it in" to the site. |
aht = what | |
btiffin 31-Aug-2007 [2141] | This conversation has made me decide to pursue getting vanilla running under .9.16 So close to Cheyenne 1.0rc1 though. I think it'll be time well wasted. Alan...still need something delivering off of port 80 though no? Maybe not HTML in the future but Cheyenne is an awesome http delivery system. imho. |
amacleod 31-Aug-2007 [2142] | Agreed...Cheyenne is simple to deploy and setup and great if you plan to use rebol for RSP...You will always need an HTML server to deliver content but the form of the content? Is Cheyenne, knowing that its Rebol based and supports RSP, does it offer something that is ground breaking..or unusual...not seen before. |
btiffin 31-Aug-2007 [2143] | It may be too late, but I've always wondered why there isn't a REBOL browser in the offing. In the beginning, a whole decade ago, which is 70 internet years, the Hot Java browser got more press than Oak ever did. |
amacleod 31-Aug-2007 [2144] | Oak? |
btiffin 31-Aug-2007 [2145] | Java. Before Gosling was sitting in a cafe worried about naming conflicts. |
amacleod 31-Aug-2007 [2146x2] | With R# I would like to some way to atleast display a web page in a window/face.. |
R# = R3 | |
btiffin 31-Aug-2007 [2148] | Yep. It would close the gaping hole in the whole. :) |
Graham 1-Sep-2007 [2149x3] | The problem with Vanilla is that it does not appear to be updated anymore by the authors |
To be pragamatic, one has to look for something that is being updated. | |
I'm running ubuntu 7 with vmware server - and then running my apps as appliances. | |
btiffin 1-Sep-2007 [2152x2] | I'm finding that (like most non-trivial REBOL web apps) vanilla is using globals that conflict with Cheyenne. session in the first case I've tracked down. It won't be that hard to fix, but name collisions are a pain in the... |
Graham; I was a polyFORTH programmer. 'being updated?' Why that's for young whippersnappers. :) Old and stale is way better. | |
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