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[!Cheyenne] Discussions about the Cheyenne Web Server

Dockimbel
17-Aug-2007
[2104x2]
Maarten: thanks for the offering, but I'm not sure that the community 
is big enough for such funding. Anyway, funded or not, I'm going 
to work on it and finish it, a lot of our internal projects depend 
on it. It's just a short delay (a few weeks) before going rc1.
Little teasing for rc1 : The win32 binary version of Cheyenne will 
natively (no 3rd party software) support running as service ;-).
Terry
17-Aug-2007
[2106]
Windows rawks.
Graham
17-Aug-2007
[2107]
hmm.  running as a service  ... nice nice nice
Pekr
17-Aug-2007
[2108]
just go to cmd.exe Window consoķe and type: net help start :-) So, 
IMO the trick is to use "net start  cheyenne.exe" or something like 
that. Then you use "net stop cheyenne.exe". It should be equivalent 
of linux /etc/rc.d/init.d/service-name start
Graham
18-Aug-2007
[2109]
I'm tried using Firedaemon to run Cheyenne as a windows service but 
noticed aberrant behaviour which I reported above.
Robert
18-Aug-2007
[2110]
Petr, it's not that easy (unfortunately)...
Dockimbel
18-Aug-2007
[2111]
Petr: Cheyenne has to be registered as a service before being able 
to start the Cheyenne service.
btiffin
31-Aug-2007
[2112]
Graham;  I just installed Vanilla under Cheyenne.  It's working, 
but the lack of docs is making it a pain to  configure.  I'm not 
sure if setting vanilla.options.metadata  "space-mode" "open" is 
the proper way to go about things or not, but keeping it "closed" 
doesn't seem to allow much.  Until I figure out how to get associate 
status on user accounts, my test head is "open" but closed behind 
the firewall.  But it seems to be working, if not a little rough 
around the edges now I'm getting used to MediaWiki.


I think I might brave a kick at turning on PHP with Cheyenne, and 
then see if copies of MediaWiki and phpBB will run.  If so, I might 
start building up a homesite for user.r right here in peoplecards.ca 
land, but not if it means a conversion to Apache to make a wiki and 
a forum work.


Anyone going to tell me not to bother trying MediaWiki or phpBB because 
it won't work?
Graham
31-Aug-2007
[2113x2]
the problem I had with mediawiki is the amount of spam I had to remove
Good to know vanilla runs under Cheyenne .. it should be a lot faster 
running that way instead of under Apache.
btiffin
31-Aug-2007
[2115]
Oh, figured out how to Admin vanilla.  Then went to remove the sticky 
on register-master and now I'm getting an endless redirect loop. 
 Rebol with trace/net on is reporting  /vanilla.cgi to //vanilla.cgi 
to ///vanilla.cgi ad infinitum.  Before trying it with the .9.16 
testhead (I still run .9.13 for production) I'm going to jump into 
playing with PHP5 and .9.16.


MediaWiki and phpBB apt install for Debian both include Apache.  
Rassafrassa...making me work...pulling in everything by hand...rassafrassa 
 :)
amacleod
31-Aug-2007
[2116x2]
it should be a lot faster running that way instead of under Apache. 
Why?
Do you think Apachi is bloated software or  somthing...Just curious 
abbout your opinion
Graham
31-Aug-2007
[2118]
because vanilla runs Rebol code
amacleod
31-Aug-2007
[2119]
gottcha!
btiffin
31-Aug-2007
[2120]
Nope.  Just a Cheyenne fan.  The patchy server is just fine.  But 
Cheyenne is REBOL  :)
Graham
31-Aug-2007
[2121]
so Apache invokes the rebol interpreter each time .. whereas with 
Cheyenne the interpreter is always resident
btiffin
31-Aug-2007
[2122]
Oops, injecting comments into other people's chats....  my bad.
Graham
31-Aug-2007
[2123x2]
I'm using Hayes Deki as a wiki now.
comes with a REST api
amacleod
31-Aug-2007
[2125]
REST?
Graham
31-Aug-2007
[2126x2]
Lots of apache rewriting going on .. so i just use the vmware appliance
REpresentational State Transfer
amacleod
31-Aug-2007
[2128]
VMWARE Appliance...Which one? One with Apache?
Graham
31-Aug-2007
[2129x3]
http://rest.blueoxen.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?FrontPage
Hayes Deki
http://wiki.mindtouch.com/Deki_wiki
amacleod
31-Aug-2007
[2132]
My brain hurts..I'm using Rebol to make my life easier. I do not 
have time to figure out a new wiki or  whatever every other day.. 
Nothing against you smarter guys but Iove rebol because I'm finally 
able to see a problem or need and solve it with a simple rebol app. 
!Cheyenne is my hope for an easy rebol path to the web without Java 
script, php, perl, AJAX etc.
btiffin
31-Aug-2007
[2133]
Graham; Think I should persevere with Vanilla?  It is REBOL.  I'm 
questing for a good forum/wiki combo and the search started today, 
so I'll take any and all advice...as long it includes the word Cheyenne 
in it.  :)  I've decided to branch out of all REBOL mode but not 
too far and not at all if possible.  But RBBS is not going to cut 
it for a forum in the long haul.
amacleod
31-Aug-2007
[2134x2]
I have some major hopes for R3 and the web. I've seen what adobe 
and microsoft  Silverlight offer and I want to be able to do thses 
things with rebol
Btiffin ..now I appologize for interrupting a conversation
btiffin
31-Aug-2007
[2136]
Nothing left to do but smile smile smile.

No problem Alan.  I like what you are saying.
Will
31-Aug-2007
[2137]
have a vanilla running in rsp not cgi, but still need to replace 
the session+logio with cheyenne session+login and I'd also want to 
put snip in a db
btiffin
31-Aug-2007
[2138]
I don't think I would have pursued setting up peoplecards.ca without 
a REBOL web server behind it, and now to patiently wait for (or get 
motivated to write) a nice REBOL forum.  :)
amacleod
31-Aug-2007
[2139x2]
As much as I like the idea of Cheyenne i thing the Rebol plugin is 
the future. The adobe and Microsoft solutions seem to bypass HTML. 
 If R3 can offer aht I think it promises why creat an html base site 
if you can make a rebol app and "plug it in"  to the site.
aht = what
btiffin
31-Aug-2007
[2141]
This conversation has made me decide to pursue getting vanilla running 
under .9.16  So close to Cheyenne 1.0rc1 though.   I think it'll 
be time well wasted.  


Alan...still need something delivering off of port 80 though no? 
 Maybe not HTML in the future but Cheyenne is an awesome http delivery 
system.  imho.
amacleod
31-Aug-2007
[2142]
Agreed...Cheyenne is simple to deploy and setup and great if you 
plan to use rebol for RSP...You will always need an HTML server to 
deliver content but the form of the content?  Is Cheyenne, knowing 
that its Rebol based and supports RSP, does it offer something that 
is ground breaking..or unusual...not seen before.
btiffin
31-Aug-2007
[2143]
It may be too late, but I've always wondered why there isn't a REBOL 
browser in the offing.  In the beginning, a whole decade ago, which 
is 70 internet years, the Hot Java browser got more press than Oak 
ever did.
amacleod
31-Aug-2007
[2144]
Oak?
btiffin
31-Aug-2007
[2145]
Java.  Before Gosling was sitting in a cafe worried about naming 
conflicts.
amacleod
31-Aug-2007
[2146x2]
With R# I would like to some way to atleast display a web page in 
a window/face..
R# = R3
btiffin
31-Aug-2007
[2148]
Yep.  It would close the gaping hole in the whole.  :)
Graham
1-Sep-2007
[2149x3]
The problem with Vanilla is that it does not appear to be updated 
anymore by the authors
To be pragamatic, one has to look for something that is being updated.
I'm running ubuntu 7 with vmware server - and then running my apps 
as appliances.
btiffin
1-Sep-2007
[2152x2]
I'm finding that (like most non-trivial REBOL web apps) vanilla is 
using globals that conflict with Cheyenne.  session in the first 
case I've tracked down.  It won't be that hard to fix, but name collisions 
are a pain in the...
Graham;  I was a polyFORTH programmer.  'being updated?'  Why that's 
for young whippersnappers.  :)  Old and stale is way better.