World: r3wp
[!Cheyenne] Discussions about the Cheyenne Web Server
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Terry 12-Oct-2007 [2183] | I have an Atom semantic network db framewerk that's nearly ready for incorporation into Cheyenne.. check out the !Atom group for more details. |
btiffin 12-Oct-2007 [2184] | Perhaps this is more a chat related issue. How would you feel if you went to a site index.html (explicitly .html) and later found out it was actually an rsp file with an .html filename. Is that dirty-pool in web land? I'm asking as Cheyenne .rsp makes it so easy to keep track of page hits and there are no <script> tags required and no redirects etc etc. I haven't turned it on in production peoplecards.ca as I think it's dirty-pool. Looking for other's opinions. |
Graham 14-Oct-2007 [2185] | I encapped cheyenne and it appeared to run okay, but I got all sorts of odbc errors :( |
Terry 14-Oct-2007 [2186] | You need Atom ;) |
Terry 19-Oct-2007 [2187x3] | Hey Doc.. how does Embed work with the latest release? |
Ok.. i have a rudimentary version of Atom running with Cheyenne. | |
There goes my weekend ;( | |
Graham 22-Oct-2007 [2190] | Anyone considered writing a phpBB in Cheyenne and RSP ? Something that would be capable of hosting 1000s of users |
Henrik 22-Oct-2007 [2191] | Considered yes, have time to do it, no. |
Graham 22-Oct-2007 [2192] | You may not have the time, I might though :) |
btiffin 22-Oct-2007 [2193] | Has anyone tried running the actual phpBB from Cheyenne yet? I got close to setting up a test head and then got distracted by news of DevBase. I have visions of user.r being hosted on a Cheyenne/phpBB/mediawiki codebase, but I'd prefer to wait (just a little bit longer) to see what REBOL solutions may pop up out of the woodwork. |
Graham 22-Oct-2007 [2194x6] | I've been burnt by phpBB when my server got hacked .. so never again |
How hard can it be to write a simple BBS ? | |
We've got server side cookie handling, session support, db ( mysql, postgresql ) and web server | |
Is this a PITL project ? | |
Do we need MVC ? | |
I'm guessing the hardest part is writing all the html that displays it all ... | |
Oldes 22-Oct-2007 [2200] | I don't like phpBB as I don't line other such a php apps... they seems to be too bloated to me... I think it should not be dificult to do it in Rebol. But I don't have time as well. |
btiffin 22-Oct-2007 [2201] | This could well be something user.r could attack as a testing ground for a multi-coder multi-module development. Do we extend RBBS.r or start from first principles. If it's Cheyenne add-on development, I'm in. If by MVC you mean version control, I'd like to wait and see how DevBase looks. If you mean Model-View-Controller, I've had nothing but grief interfacing the REBOL MVC frameworks with Cheyenne due to the soon to be managed :) namespace problem. |
Graham 22-Oct-2007 [2202x3] | therein lies the grief with using acronyms :) I meant the latter. |
This would be great .. it's something that people would use, the designs are all out there to model upon .. and we can get something quite limited up and running | |
But it may actually be PITS as when you're doing RSP, the code is limited to that page alone. | |
btiffin 22-Oct-2007 [2205] | Re acronyms. Yep, must remember to mention the full text at least once per post cycle from now on. More on the namespace issue in user.r chat; but I'd like Cheyenne to be given a pride of place status for word usage, equivalent to what we'll be following with our rules for dealing with RT's word usage. i.e they win, we deal with it. Go Doc Go! Re BBS for Cheyenne. I'd almost like to extend RBBS out to something more grandious, and at the same time extend the tutorial Carl and Gregg and Volker and Tom built up, but along with the CGI (or instead of) document the RSP side of it. |
Graham 22-Oct-2007 [2206x3] | RBBS? |
http://www.rebol.com/docs/cgi-bbs.html | |
We don't want this tutorial to get too large, so we decided not to include certain features at this time. Some of them may be added as part of a future CGI tutorial. * User accounts (including user registration) * Browser cookies * Fancy message formatting * Message searching * File locking methods so straight away we don't need file locking methods, browser cookies | |
Graham 23-Oct-2007 [2209x2] | Did you want to work with RBBS ? |
or start afresh? | |
btiffin 23-Oct-2007 [2211x3] | I'm using RBBS on peoplecards.ca so I may be in a conflict of interest. Let's work with RBBS. :) But it's REBOL code; short and sweet and powerful. A complete rewrite in Cheyenne RSP sounds tempting too. |
There is the rebolBB codebase too. I just wasn't that big a fan of the use of IMAP. And Vanilla is still pretty cool if not a little but neglected. | |
but = bit | |
Graham 23-Oct-2007 [2214x6] | no, nor me. |
I can't get it working anymore .. and it doesn't like MS's imap implementation, nor AOL's free IMAP server. | |
where's the original RBBS.r script ? Before it got modded by Dirk? | |
vanilla - not a bbs | |
ok, see it on your site. | |
Has anyone posted a message yet? | |
btiffin 23-Oct-2007 [2220x2] | Umm, yes and no. Spam. I delete one or two a day and neglect it the rest of the time. |
I found it easiest to just re-init when spam comes in, as the only real messages were me talking to me. | |
Graham 23-Oct-2007 [2222] | need some anti-spam techniques then |
Oldes 23-Oct-2007 [2223] | I tell you all the time, just insert the form using javascript. I do it this way and I had no problems with a spam yet. |
Terry 23-Oct-2007 [2224] | Why don't you build it using Atom.. very straight forward, I have a few modules i could port.. and would make a good tutorial for everyone. |
btiffin 23-Oct-2007 [2225] | Motivated to add counter-measures. Activated the PoL (Proof of Life) code. I'll watch the logs for a while but I think the rbbs.r on peoplecards should now be closer to immune from the robot spammer that tagged me a few months back. Terry; Might be a good idea. Promoting Cheyenne, promoting Semantic Database and building something rebols can use for a forum all at the same time. Many birds, few stones. |
Graham 23-Oct-2007 [2226] | Cheyenne has captcha built in, and that's what I use |
Terry 24-Oct-2007 [2227] | Where's our man Doc these days? |
Pekr 24-Oct-2007 [2228x2] | working hard on projects? |
One thing is clear - with R3 we have to get new blood, or we'll die. Successfull rebollers are moved to other projects, and they nearly disappear from community life ... | |
Steeve 24-Oct-2007 [2230x3] | not sure of that, i think rebolers are waiting for R3 and stopped all R2 projects |
that's why it's so urgent to pop up a release (even an alpha one) | |
Everyone has already given his opinion but I repeat anyway. It is damaging not to open the aplha. Rebolers are sick of waiting. | |
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