World: r3wp

Terry: REBOL already supports SSL, it just a matter of knowing which 
flag to set to switch to server-side SSL. Btw, if anyone can get 
the info from Carl, that would be great ! (Pekr, you're kind of good 
at extracting info from ppl ;-))

Max: you're right, I wish I have more time to spend here (hopefully, 
I can now spend 2 days per week working on all my REBOL projects, 
so, you'll see me here now more often.

I wrote official... but I meant "official underground community"... 
where actual user end up.

you know... it doesn't have to be 4 hours of chat.

I know how it is...

Petr: RSP can emit XML if you need to separate content from presentation. 
Btw, I'd be happy to see an XSLT lib done in REBOL.

I will try to write to Carl :-)

and put a few pints in the letter  ;-)

Doc - all I need is my gfx man to work separately - that is way most 
templating systems don't suit me well. They are ugly mixture of code 
and presentation. I want only tags, and then parsing and replacing 
stuff.

I will pint out Carl in Paris ;-))

I hope France has some good beer too. All I know is that France has 
wine tradition, so not sure about beer :-)

pekr, remark is EXACTLY that but templates are not only for pages, 
but tags are templates... all code is outside of page and very easy 
to make your own tags.

do you have link for remark?

if you promise that you'll try it out, I'll put it online.

Pekr: There's a lot of competing templating solutions, and AFAIK, 
XML+XSL is the most used one. You can also look at Enhydra XMLC here 
: http://www.enhydra.org/tech/xmlc/index.html(It's done with JSP, 
but the concept can be easily ported to any other language).

yes, it is just ... what is xml good for here? :-)

maxim - any doc for remark? From docs I could see, if it is what 
I want :-) Well, I do small things, so maybe I am better with something 
"home-made" :-)

the only thing it needs is someone to adapt it for cgi use... I have 
too little CGI practice and no real need, atm... so its hard to put 
time on this... but its a rebol script, so its easy to adapt.  all 
it would need is to check if its been started as cgi and call a different 
startup, which only prints out one file.  for static pages (which 
CAN include dynamic conent like sql queries) then its a very good 
solution which already supports site magamenent and ftp xfer.

I would gladely help anyone to add cgi support to remark... probably 
doing it together more than anything.

Pekr: It's good for feeding an XSLT engine (we don't have any equivalent 
in REBOL).

yes I have all of this done... its just not online for lack of time.

I can send you a .zip though?  is your email address here valid?

I want to set up a cheyenne web server that is secure.. ie. protected 
by ssl.

this web server is for local intranet .. but sometimes allow users 
to browse from outside via ssl.

can I use http://sourceforge.net/projects/sslexplorerto set up a 
ssl vpn so that the remote user logins via the vpn, and then accesses 
the intranet's web server?

which also means I could grant untrusted users temporary access to 
the web server.

I would help you Maxim, but I'm now working on my Rebol/Flash dialect 
(after very long time) so maybe afterwards.

Graham - if you generally know, how to allow ssl for Cheyenne, what 
is the problem with vpn? Wouldn't just router firewall opening/redirecting 
port of ssl (443 IIRC) be enough?

graham, you can put an apache server which only accepts the ssl connections 
with reverse proxy setup which redirects the uncrypted ssl traffic 
to/from the cheyenne server. it works well.

btw remark is now online... wondering if everyone sees the announce 
group... sometimes I think only a minority actually see/read it.

Oldes: thanks for the offer of help cgi mode with remark.  Anytime 
you want, just ping me and we can see what needs too be done to make 
it happen.

maxim: why do you think nobody's reading it? because your web's bandwith 
wasn't wasted in ten minutes and there are no ecstatic reactions? 
;)

hahaha, I don't expect to change the world... just that my announce 
didn't even generate one sign or having been read... so I wonder 
sometimes, if most of you use the custom dividers or are like me 
and just the "all groups" master didivers and clear them as they 
 are filled.

actually I've read it, but have no time right now to try it. I'm 
still looking for some web managment so I can rework my web, but 
the time...that's the problem :) I'm using just "all groups" and 
check red groups for anything interesting :)

eeks, I hope my product isn't in direct competition with maxims... 
:-)

hehe I read about it.. I think you could generate your app within 
mine.

but not the opposite.

that is probably true. however I may change the architecture a bit 
since the parser is limited to two levels and is not recursive. the 
pages are generated from a limited list. all I really wanted to do 
was to make it easy to combine blogger.r, makedoc documents, dir 
listings and customized html output in a pipeline. it does most of 
that now, but the parser is only about 80% elegant. :-)

but I love the speed. comparing it to rapidweaver, it's crazy fast. 
it's webserver independent as well.

I put 0% of time on site layout, once its done.  I just edit content 
and make the page.  its like editing make doc, but in html format... 
also, the tags are not standard html type tags  they nest directely 
 <p! text <b! is bold <i! and italic>>>

easier to edit, since I don't have to track the damned end tag all 
the time... this being said, normal html is still valid within the 
files... so its a 1/2 way between html and rebol code.

Max, can you elaborate on using Apache ssl with Cheyenne ?

I did so for my own server, which is an http web service:

you install and setup an apache server which has ssl, reverse proxy, 
and redirection modules enabled.

then you accept the connections from the ssl port (apache silently 
handles the decryption) and redirect all traffic to your cheyenne 
server.

are these automatically installed?

they are all part of the standard apache distro... but you have so 
edit the config file to enable them

I am not an apache expert, I had the setups done for me, but it works 
out  :-)

the setups where very basic though... 4-5 lines, basically setting 
up the ports, and urls ... not much wizardry.

Ok.  I've already downloaded this vmware ssl appliance ... but good 
to know now.