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[!Cheyenne] Discussions about the Cheyenne Web Server
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Graham 18-Sep-2009 [5750x3] | so failing every email ... would not be good. |
Guess we need to field test .. and see how it works | |
Anyone got a list of 1,000,000 valid email addresses for sale?? | |
Dockimbel 18-Sep-2009 [5753x2] | Yes, it needs heavy testing, but works quite well so far. |
:-) | |
Graham 18-Sep-2009 [5755x5] | If you're not using your ISP's smtp server, won't the recipient notice your domain and the email from address don't match and flag your email as spam?? |
Unless your smtp server is a trusted or whitelisted server | |
Well, I used to use that criteria when I had my own mail server ... I grey listed all such messages. | |
So, the question is also, does the mta handle greylisting ? | |
greylisting is when you temp fail an incoming message so that they are forced to wait eg. 5 mins or 30 mins before you accept their email. | |
Dockimbel 18-Sep-2009 [5760] | Yes, some SMTP servers apply such restrictive rules, but not the big ones (AFAICT). But the more important is to have a reverse dns that matches your servers domain. |
Graham 18-Sep-2009 [5761x2] | spammers don't retry .. or retry immediately |
they don't delay for 5 mins and retry .. as it is too expensive | |
Dockimbel 18-Sep-2009 [5763] | Cheyenne's MTA waits for 5mn before raising a timeout as per RFC. |
Graham 18-Sep-2009 [5764] | It's not a timeout, it's a temp failure. |
Dockimbel 18-Sep-2009 [5765] | Never encountered that so far while testing with the big ones (Yahoo, Gmail, Hotmail, French ISPs) |
Graham 18-Sep-2009 [5766] | http://www.compkarori.com/vanilla/display/Smtpd.r This is my teergrubbing greylisting mail server for Uniserve |
Dockimbel 18-Sep-2009 [5767x2] | I tried sendind from home computers connected through either cable or ADSL connections. Only Yahoo!Mail rejected emails sent from ADSL network. |
I was quite surprised to see that Gmail and others accepted emails sent directly from a MTA on home computer...(I thought that I would need to make all testing from remote servers). | |
Graham 18-Sep-2009 [5769x3] | I also would now drop that restriction ... |
and analyse the email instead ... | |
but in 2005 I rejected all broadband based mtas | |
Dockimbel 18-Sep-2009 [5772] | Yeah, I studied your smtpd.r implementation. I thought I would need to support greylisting, but it seems not to be required to deliver emails to the big ones. |
Graham 18-Sep-2009 [5773] | Good to know ... |
Will 18-Sep-2009 [5774] | Thanks Dock for this new release 8) |
Maxim 18-Sep-2009 [5775] | You really are creating one of the flagship applications with cheyenne. Something that should be broadcast a bit more outside of the REBOL fanbase IMHO. |
Will 18-Sep-2009 [5776] | Many servers do use greylisting, many spammer bots do retry after a delay |
Maxim 18-Sep-2009 [5777x2] | build better armor, they build better weapons ;-) |
might as well wear none and dodge things instead ;-D | |
Graham 19-Sep-2009 [5779x4] | This was how the Mongul army defeated all the armies of Europe. |
Update cheyenne via Svn, ran it .. and it locks up consistently. | |
Windows 7 RC1 | |
Port 7900 | |
Dockimbel 19-Sep-2009 [5783x2] | Max: I want the web control panel and the one-click webapp deployement feature for Cheyenne to make it more attractive to non-rebol users. Still a lot of work to make it close to what I have in mind. |
Graham: did you run it from sources or did you encap it? | |
Graham 19-Sep-2009 [5785x2] | source |
I should create a fresh checkout | |
Dockimbel 19-Sep-2009 [5787] | try from console : do/args %cheyenne.r "-vvvvv" |
Graham 19-Sep-2009 [5788] | fresh checkout also locks up |
Dockimbel 19-Sep-2009 [5789] | Try using the verbose mode to see when that happens. |
Graham 19-Sep-2009 [5790x2] | locks up as soon as smtp loaded |
also OpenSCManager failed - access denieds | |
Dockimbel 19-Sep-2009 [5792] | OpenSCManager => I'm aware of that one, same on Vista. |
Graham 19-Sep-2009 [5793x2] | that goes away if run as administrator |
but stjll locks up after loading async smtp | |
Dockimbel 19-Sep-2009 [5795x3] | Ok, I think the issue comes from UniServe/protocols/dig.r |
from the 'win-get-dns function | |
it tries to obtain the DNS servers using 2 strategies depending on the REBOL kernel used. If GET-REG is available, it tries to get the info from the registry, else, it calls "ipconfig" and parses output. | |
Graham 19-Sep-2009 [5798x2] | local-ip .. can't you use get-modes? |
>> rebol/version == 2.7.6.3.1 | |
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