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[!Cheyenne] Discussions about the Cheyenne Web Server

Graham
18-Sep-2009
[5759]
greylisting is when you temp fail an incoming message so that they 
are forced to wait eg. 5 mins or 30 mins before you accept their 
email.
Dockimbel
18-Sep-2009
[5760]
Yes, some SMTP servers apply such restrictive rules, but not the 
big ones (AFAICT). But the more important is to have a reverse dns 
that matches your servers domain.
Graham
18-Sep-2009
[5761x2]
spammers don't retry .. or retry immediately
they don't delay for 5 mins and retry .. as it is too expensive
Dockimbel
18-Sep-2009
[5763]
Cheyenne's MTA waits for 5mn before raising a timeout as per RFC.
Graham
18-Sep-2009
[5764]
It's not a timeout, it's a temp failure.
Dockimbel
18-Sep-2009
[5765]
Never encountered that so far while testing with the big ones (Yahoo, 
Gmail, Hotmail, French ISPs)
Graham
18-Sep-2009
[5766]
http://www.compkarori.com/vanilla/display/Smtpd.r

This is my teergrubbing greylisting mail server for Uniserve
Dockimbel
18-Sep-2009
[5767x2]
I tried sendind from home computers connected through either cable 
or ADSL connections. Only Yahoo!Mail rejected emails sent from ADSL 
network.
I was quite surprised to see that Gmail and others accepted emails 
sent directly from a MTA on home computer...(I thought that I would 
need to make all testing from remote servers).
Graham
18-Sep-2009
[5769x3]
I also would now drop that restriction ...
and analyse the email instead ...
but in 2005 I rejected all broadband based mtas
Dockimbel
18-Sep-2009
[5772]
Yeah, I studied your smtpd.r implementation. I thought I would need 
to support greylisting, but it seems not to be required to deliver 
emails to the big ones.
Graham
18-Sep-2009
[5773]
Good to know ...
Will
18-Sep-2009
[5774]
Thanks Dock for this new release 8)
Maxim
18-Sep-2009
[5775]
You really are creating one of the flagship applications with cheyenne. 
 Something that should be broadcast a bit more outside of the REBOL 
fanbase IMHO.
Will
18-Sep-2009
[5776]
Many servers do use greylisting, many spammer bots do retry after 
a delay
Maxim
18-Sep-2009
[5777x2]
build better armor, they build better weapons  ;-)
might as well wear none and dodge things instead  ;-D
Graham
19-Sep-2009
[5779x4]
This was how the Mongul army defeated all the armies of Europe.
Update cheyenne via Svn, ran it .. and it locks up consistently.
Windows 7 RC1
Port 7900
Dockimbel
19-Sep-2009
[5783x2]
Max: I want the web control panel and the one-click webapp deployement 
feature for Cheyenne to make it more attractive to non-rebol users. 
Still a lot of work to make it close to what I have in mind.
Graham: did you run it from sources or did you encap it?
Graham
19-Sep-2009
[5785x2]
source
I should create a fresh checkout
Dockimbel
19-Sep-2009
[5787]
try from console : do/args %cheyenne.r "-vvvvv"
Graham
19-Sep-2009
[5788]
fresh checkout also locks up
Dockimbel
19-Sep-2009
[5789]
Try using the verbose mode to see when that happens.
Graham
19-Sep-2009
[5790x2]
locks up as soon as smtp loaded
also OpenSCManager failed - access denieds
Dockimbel
19-Sep-2009
[5792]
OpenSCManager => I'm aware of that one, same on Vista.
Graham
19-Sep-2009
[5793x2]
that goes away if run as administrator
but stjll locks up after loading async smtp
Dockimbel
19-Sep-2009
[5795x3]
Ok, I think the issue comes from UniServe/protocols/dig.r
from the 'win-get-dns function
it tries to obtain the DNS servers using 2 strategies depending on 
the REBOL kernel used. If GET-REG is available, it tries to get the 
info from the registry, else, it calls "ipconfig" and parses output.
Graham
19-Sep-2009
[5798x3]
local-ip .. can't you use get-modes?
>> rebol/version
== 2.7.6.3.1
>> value? 'get-reg
== false
Dockimbel
19-Sep-2009
[5801x2]
get-modes will give you all the working interfaces info, but no way 
to know which one is used to route your traffic to Internet.
Can you copy/paste the 'win-get-dns function to a fresh console to 
see what happens?
Graham
19-Sep-2009
[5803]
locks up
Dockimbel
19-Sep-2009
[5804x2]
can you copy/paste juste the 4 lines starting from : out: ""?
I think that's the CALL which is blocking, just want to make sure.
Graham
19-Sep-2009
[5806]
locks up on the 'call
Dockimbel
19-Sep-2009
[5807]
Is IPCONFIG available on Win7?
Graham
19-Sep-2009
[5808]
which versions have get-reg?