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[!Cheyenne] Discussions about the Cheyenne Web Server

Maxim
15-Oct-2009
[6250x2]
I'd use it to switch debug modes in real-time... and maybe even build 
a small view config/debug pane, if I detect a view version running 
cheyenne.
very usefull for development cycles  :-)
Dockimbel
15-Oct-2009
[6252x2]
Webapps: you can find some docs in the Java world (look for JSP/Servlets), 
concepts are similar to RSP webapps. See http://caucho.com/resin/doc/webapp-overview.xtp
View debug panel: I thought about that too a while back, never had 
time to try that concept.
Pekr
15-Oct-2009
[6254]
doc - could bind or bind-extern be used to invoke CGI handler for 
.html files?
Maxim
15-Oct-2009
[6255]
I'm adding a lot of debug options within the config file directives 
right now... would be nice to be able to give an interactive face 
to those options  :-)
Dockimbel
15-Oct-2009
[6256]
Pekr: maybe, never tried such approach. ;-)
Maxim
15-Oct-2009
[6257]
(for remark that is)
Dockimbel
15-Oct-2009
[6258]
View debug panel: definitely a useful tool.
Pekr
15-Oct-2009
[6259]
Doc - old story - need .html to be called thru central dispatch script, 
or the index.html can't be dynamic ...
Maxim
15-Oct-2009
[6260]
pekr, remark will be doing this by days end.  specifically, the file 
is parse once, until its saved out and cache is older than source. 
 once processed, normal cheyenne will continue with remark simply 
handling the url-to-file callback.
Dockimbel
15-Oct-2009
[6261]
Pekr: it would not work that way, the CGI handler in worker process 
will try to DO the file.
Maxim
15-Oct-2009
[6262x5]
ok I looked at web apps... remark is basically an uber web-app architecture... 
all it needs are a few more configs.
I'll add this in the second release of the mod
pekr, why not just specify the index to be an rsp script instead? 
since it seems to be dynamic in the first place?
default: index.rsp
sorry... bad syntax above...

default %index.rsp
I want to thank you doc for this exceptional piece of software which 
is cheyenne.


I have been playing around with it for months, on and off, at varying 
levels, and its always been able to cope with my client's and my 
own needs. 

Both in capacity and how flexible it is to adapt and extend to custom 
server requirements.
Pekr
15-Oct-2009
[6267]
Max - never mind. If I want to use only Cheyenne, it is not a problem. 
I was thinking around the lines of producing rebol aproach, which 
would be interchangable easily between Apache and Cheyenne, for those 
who can't afford to push their provider to run Cheyenne for them. 
So I thought that following Apache equivalent would be useful. But 
my request surely is not a priority ....

AddHandler rebol-cgi-dispatch .html
Action rebol-cgi-dispatch /cgi-bin/rebol-cgi-dispatch.cgi
Dockimbel
15-Oct-2009
[6268x2]
Max: thanks for the cheering up. :-) I've been also quite satisfied 
by the way Cheyenne evolved, a lot of thanks to patient users who 
report issues and propose fixes or new ideas. I wouldn't have got 
so far without community support!
Pekr: that's in my todo list, I just need to find some free time 
to think more deeply about how to support such feature efficiently.


Btw, I have built a XMLC (XML Compiler) engine inspired by enhydra 
(http://www.enhydra.org/tech/xmlc/index.html) which should fit perfectly 
your needs. It's a working prototype but need some significant work 
to be integrated within Cheyenne, so it's low priority for now.
Maxim
15-Oct-2009
[6270]
well... the main call to remark is ... compile   hehehe...  I do 
plan on making an XML document model eventually.  basically, it would 
convert XML elements into your current Remark document models, so 
you can leverage the same code base but with another data model as 
input.


optionally you could build direct XML document models for a bit more 
speed.


all that needs to be done to make it easy for you guys is to build 
a few simple base XML tags which allow you to build the dialect based 
on xml element names.
Pekr
15-Oct-2009
[6271]
Doc - do you have any feedback from outside the REBOL community users? 
Are there any?
Robert
15-Oct-2009
[6272x2]
I run Cheyenne as reverse proxy, which works very well.
And, I agree it's a very nice piece of software.
Dockimbel
15-Oct-2009
[6274x2]
Only from close friends living in the java world, beyond them, no 
one. I don't expect much from outside REBOL world yet, Cheyenne is 
mainly useful for REBOL programmers. Once it reaches 1.x, Cheyenne 
will have features that would make it more interesting for outsiders 
(like a simple web control panel, web sites and webapp packaging 
in one unique executable, on-demand ready-to-use web application 
loading from our servers: blog, forum, bugtracker,...). I may also 
add a FTP service in a future 1.x version and a lot of other innovating 
new features I have in mind. ;-)
I'd like especially to make it a one-click solution for corporate 
users that need a blog, wiki, bug or task tracker,etc on LAN.
Maxim
15-Oct-2009
[6276x2]
I honestly hope that remark can be a driving force for cheyenne btw... 
remark was never designed for rebolers.  the fact that its tightly 
integrated into html makes it very appealing for non-programmers, 
as well as the fact that it can use rebol's extremely rich datatype 
system.
I see it as the next evolution of markup no less.  It just happens 
to use Rebol as its scripting engine, but it could, in fact be adapted 
to other languages as well.
Graham
15-Oct-2009
[6278]
Is there a XMLRPC service available from Uniserve?
Dockimbel
15-Oct-2009
[6279]
I don't remember seen one.
Graham
15-Oct-2009
[6280]
I thought you had mentioned some years ago you were going to write 
a rpc service ...???
Dockimbel
15-Oct-2009
[6281]
Really? I don't see the need for one (at least for my own usage).
Pekr
15-Oct-2009
[6282]
yes, it was supposed to replace Rugby and/or R/Services :-)
Graham
15-Oct-2009
[6283]
That's what I remember as well.
Dockimbel
16-Oct-2009
[6284]
Digging into UniServe's repository, I've found one : RMC service 
(Remote Method Call). Can't find the client part thought. It was 
just an exercice to test the concept, never used it, so I've forgot 
it totally.
Graham
16-Oct-2009
[6285x2]
:)
Pekr and my memory appear to be accurate in this case.
Dockimbel
16-Oct-2009
[6287]
It's equivalent to Rugby but without encryption. R/Services is much 
higher level. If someone is interested, I can search my older backups 
for the whole thing.
Graham
16-Oct-2009
[6288x3]
I don't need the encryption as it will be used as localhost
So, yes, I am interested.
Maybe I could access mail functions that way instead of via rsp ?
Dockimbel
16-Oct-2009
[6291]
It should be possible.
Graham
16-Oct-2009
[6292]
and feasible?
Dockimbel
16-Oct-2009
[6293x6]
http://softinnov.org/tmp/rmc.zip
It will be harder than I first thought. RMC relies on worker processes 
to execute code, so it doesn't have access to main process.
Code is 7 years old, not even sure that it will work out of the box 
with current UniServe.
Btw, you might have a look in UniServe/clients/rconsole.r. It should 
be easier I think, to modify this script for your needs than RMC.
Humm...RSP's send-email function is in RSP space (worker process). 
It will be difficult to access it directly without going through 
HTTP.
I'm afraid that the only simple way is to go through http://localhost/email.rsp
Graham
16-Oct-2009
[6299]
How do worker processes differ from the main process?