World: r3wp

Write some simple docs outlining websockets, and I'll get you to 
50K in a month.

To start addressing these markets, I need a 1.0 Cheyenne (means finish 
some features + units tests + full docs).

Yeah, my stuff is all using the embedded feature.. very nice.

Still needs an improved virtual filesystem to easily run RSP web 
apps from memory, but for custom embedded REBOL apps, it should work 
ok.

BTW.. i use PHP as a language, not for it's "Hypertext preprocess" 
... 85% of my php has no html in it at all.   Mainly use PHP to receive 
and process AJAX form requests

So, to copy this method into Cheyenne websockets, i need to 'DO' 
.r scripts.. not rsp.

RSP is fine, but I just don't like the whole 'preprocessor ' approach.. 
it's too 1995

I don't like page refreshing.. should trigger an event, and all the 
elments fade out, and new ones fade in. You can do this kind of stuff 
with AJAX, and even more so now with WS

Hi guys. Yes, you really can divide the scripting needs into just 
a few primary categories.

As I wrap up WIP3 for the current website redo, it seems a bit odd 
that each time, the WIP system gets smaller and better.

I would call this "design refactoring" ... a high level form of "code 
refactoring".

Why aren't you using Cheyenne for rebol.com ?

what Terry tries to say imo is, that nowadays the web proceeded, 
and it is much more dynamic, so that even RSP sounds old-school ...

I call it "why didn't we have this 10 years ago".

G: It runs on a large hosted provider.

H: yes, it's a bit odd. I thought CGI was dead 8 years ago.... but 
then, NO.

Reason is, if you don't want to use Php, and you want economies of 
large hosting providers, that's your main choice. Else, Perl. <gag>

slicehost is $10 or $20 a month

Last week, when reviewing the R2 build... I finally had a regret 
that we never released the apache mod for R2.

Hmm, that would have been interesting.

But, I felt it was a kludge back in 2000.... however I think Jeff 
K was right.

I assume an R3 apache mod would not be far away, possiblity wise?

G: slicehost allows running your own server??

And he's come back to tell you this??  :)

H: problem is, no provider is going to let you install it.

C: you can do pretty much what you want apart from hosting adult 
content

Choose your own distro ... and install it.

G: well, those were different days.

Linode is similar .. Amazon is more expensive ...

Slicehost and Linode run virtual servers. So you don't have to setup 
your own box. Very nice.

G, H: really.  So, are they fast and reliable?

So I can finally run Cheyenne on a high bandwidth server.

If truly virtual, and good performance, that's a good place to checkout.

So, Do they let me listen on any ports?

I had one breakdown for some hours, but their response was very detailed. 
I use Linode. As I understand it, Slicehost were recently purchased 
by Rackspace (buyouts = alarm bells).

I use Amazon EC2 and it's reliable to a point .. if it goes down 
I just start another instance ... and in 6 months, I've only had 
to do that once.

You can save images of your entire site and just restart from that.

And yes, you can listen on what you like... you define the firewall 
settings

The only gripe I have is not much RAM (384 MB), but still for 20 
bucks/month. As a side effect, I use it now for IRC and other minor 
services, like makedoc and some source hosting.

Do they allow you to custom config?

If so, 384MB is fine. chop chop

lol, Slicehost.com: "No contracts, no setup fees."

and you can cancel at any time, if you don't like it.

This actually looks pretty good. I was leaning toward Amazon... but...

I chose Linode, because they offer a bit more for the same money. 
But it's probably a matter of taste.

If can cancel anytime, then why not try both?

well, go ahead :-) redundancy is good.

This is quite interesting, esp if we can run REBOL as the primary 
services.

Carl - how goes rebol.com redesign? Do you have any gfx proposals 
already?

Amazon is Small Instance (Default) 1.7 GB of memory, 1 EC2 Compute 
Unit (1 virtual core with 1 EC2 Compute Unit), 160 GB of local instance 
storage, 32-bit platform
If you commit to a 3 year term it is only $300 per year