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[DevCon2007] DevCon 2007

btiffin
11-May-2007
[1917]
It's a deep tool.
Pekr
11-May-2007
[1918]
Now Modules?
Sunanda
11-May-2007
[1919]
Now Ron Everett -- Associative Systems
Gabriele
11-May-2007
[1920]
associative data models
Pekr
11-May-2007
[1921]
ah, interesting ...
Henrik
11-May-2007
[1922]
perhaps it's like my Relations Engine, just done by someone who knows 
what he's talking about :-)
Maxim
11-May-2007
[1923x2]
btw, sorry for the rushy session we are missing time.
its MUCH more   ;-)  beleive me  ;-)
Volker
11-May-2007
[1925]
(i recognise my spoken english is much to bad to follow this. hope 
there comes something written/recorded (if recorded i can try it 
a few times^^)
Pekr
11-May-2007
[1926]
Max - I think henrik was talking about associative session :-)
Sunanda
11-May-2007
[1927]
His first slide said Relavance Technology.
That seems to be this:
http://www.associativesolutions.com/relavance.php
[unknown: 10]
11-May-2007
[1928x2]
thanks..
why are we always getting back to xml when w have blocks and lists 
;-) funny...
Maxim
11-May-2007
[1930x2]
yes, me to:-)
(pekr)
Robert
11-May-2007
[1932]
Because it's so nicely messed up.
Sunanda
11-May-2007
[1933]
sadly, xml is the csv of the web :-)
Robert
11-May-2007
[1934]
csv = complex structured values
Dockimbel
11-May-2007
[1935]
Pekr: schedule has changed due to ...hem, you know, pb with Skype 
session and so on.

Carl said us at the beginning that he coul addadpt his speach to 
the needs. Making 2, 3 or more sessions, grouping things...

So modules where introduced this morning, but We will not have time 
to make a session on it.
Hope he will pubhished his slide on it anyway
Robert
11-May-2007
[1936]
Hey Ron, don't talk so much. Show us the system...
Dockimbel
11-May-2007
[1937]
it comes
Sunanda
11-May-2007
[1938]
comma separated values: dumb data for interchange between systems
[unknown: 10]
11-May-2007
[1939]
I like to see more of the sheets from Ron... goes pritty deep..nice...
Maxim
11-May-2007
[1940]
sunanda,  specifically, that site is not the relavance site.  maybe, 
its a local reseller of the technology.
btiffin
11-May-2007
[1941]
Except xml still can't pass "nulls" without SOAP or some such...sad
Maxim
11-May-2007
[1942]
relavance is canadian technology.
Sunanda
11-May-2007
[1943]
sorry, max!
Robert
11-May-2007
[1944]
It's just using a graph-based approach. Good idea, and really better. 
no query necessary just traverse the graph.
[unknown: 10]
11-May-2007
[1945]
wow they relay digged it all out... nice..
Maxim
11-May-2007
[1946]
they actually have no website AFAIK.
Robert
11-May-2007
[1947x2]
www.e4graph.com
Adding database accessors at the leafs... well. Not so new up to 
now.
[unknown: 10]
11-May-2007
[1949]
integrating with rebol though is a nice close fit based on linquistics..
Maxim
11-May-2007
[1950]
robert you are not getting it... there is no tables or accessors.
Robert
11-May-2007
[1951]
Do they have graph-layout included?
Henrik
11-May-2007
[1952]
it sounds very much like my RE, except my RE does not have that ability 
to move around freely in the structure, and you have to cross relate 
manually. no "traversing" back and forth. you can't start in the 
"middle" of the tree.
Maxim
11-May-2007
[1953x2]
not sure, but they work at a much higher level, they can aggregate 
contexts and relationship set based on multi-dimensional.
henrik, nope, the concept of contexts is paramount.  you are working 
in one dimension, relavance has n dimensions.
[unknown: 10]
11-May-2007
[1955x2]
pfiew...
Ron did his home work ...
Pekr
11-May-2007
[1957]
What is that good for practically? Is there any commercial app using 
that aproach? Or is that only academic thingy? :-)
Maxim
11-May-2007
[1958]
14 years of development.
[unknown: 10]
11-May-2007
[1959x2]
what...!
great!
Robert
11-May-2007
[1961]
n Dimension = n entry / output edges
Maxim
11-May-2007
[1962x3]
didn't you hear him ... he talked about that "small gang" at DARPA 
with
no, its n sets of edges.
input/output is one dimension.  its a relationship of dependency.
Robert
11-May-2007
[1965]
Well, than you have clustered your edges to a grouping node...
Maxim
11-May-2007
[1966]
actually its "requirement"