World: r3wp

btw - what is the plan for initial release? will it be released only 
to some selected developers initially, and July, 15, to the public?

yes, july 15 is public

Gabriele - from your pov ... is it usable? You know, when 2.0 "project 
Contra" was released, it was more than fine and stable ... :-)

petr, i'll get my copy in a couple days........ richard is the only 
one on the planet except carl having a copy (oops, should not have 
said that ;)

Cyphre is solid, he would not disclose it to us, even if friends 
:-)

Gabriele - so what actually is your role with RT? I thought you are 
in "selected" dev team already?

maybe I could try it again;-]

are you in charge of networking? VID?

i'm in the dev team... that's why i get it before june 1st ;)

networkind and vid, yes.

hmm, so how is networking being developed, if you have not touched 
it yet? :-)

it's being developed next week ;) the native part is done and Carl 
does that.

we need just http for june 1st and that should take a day or two

but there are many issues to discuss and documents to write...

http1.1?

hopefully proxy will be automatically detected on Windows :-)

well... i want to do keep-alive etc. but that's part of the design 
issues to discuss

petr: that's something the "wrapper" should do. grab some windows 
expert and you'll have a solution - you won't need rt to do builds 
for you anymore ;)

cool.

So, what is missing in R3? I remember something from conference, 
but not much - RIF, Unicode, rebin ...?

rif (ladislav may be able to finish it for july), os part of unicode 
(community can help a lot here)

rebin may be delayed after july... but it depends on the time carl 
will have during june

we plan to have full graphics with rich text by july, with vid (at 
least the basics)

Gabriele, how comprehensive do you plan to make VID out of the box 
this time?

(when VID is complete, that is)

as much as possible.

my first goal is....... i don't want to spend time writing guis for 
simple apps.

so it should be...  a few lines and you have a fully functional user 
interface, for all the common cases.

http takes a day or two ?

Is this a rewrite, or tweaking of the existing protocols?

Async ?

wasn't is said, that new kernel is async, but http initial release 
will be sync only?

With task available that should make no big difference?

rewrite, async (R3 devices are async just like amiga devices)

Carl posted his presentation

The requested URL /article/devcon2007.rebdocproj.org/news.html" was 
not found on this server.

Its seems to be a small url hiccup in the blog.
http://devcon2007.rebdocproj.org/news.htmlis the real link.

hmm... so much new stuff. feels like I have to learn rebol all over 
again. :-)

now I'm beginning to wonder whether REBOL could be useful under XNA 
on the XBox 360.

I would like to ask, re. posted slides - why is rebin a problem and 
hence is deferred?

also - virtual windows - rendering graphics into image .... does 
it mean we get native VID windowing? (would be usefull for browser-plugin, 
because in other case we have to limit amout of OS level windows 
opened, whereas with rebol windows (vid style), noone would mind, 
as nothing would pop-up ...

with R3 it should be possible to make own windowing system... but 
still don't know how to make it secure.... I mean if module can expand 
into global, what if I don't want loaded modules to do that (I mean 
if I for example want to open foreign script in virtual window)... 
anyway... I think the case with rendering into image is described 
scenario of current:  DRAW image commands

virtual windows - rendering graphics into an image means that a stream 
of images can be sent over a network to another user in a "terminal 
services"-like session.

and the new event datatype will be good for this too.

just why send it as an image? it should be sent as VID - SAP does 
it too - that is their advantage in comparison to other ERPs, as 
they do it like VID.

you have "fat" client, which can interpret it. The question is, once 
you render your window, is layout still valid?

That's just one application of the idea.

Videos are online:

http://www.sahores-conseil.com/?q=node/2

Thanks Henrik.