World: r3wp

but why no small own tasking? We want WildMan, right? It will need 
its own tasking/scheduler :-)

pekr, didn't he say it would get one for Wildman?

camera wobblies

I don't want to insert CD into my Windows PC, and see Rebol blocked. 
In fact Rebol could run in highest priority and do own tasking :-)

The BLOB!!!

He talked about Wildman?

blob? Isn't it term from DB world?

Pekr, you shouldn't run a windows PC and expect a nice functioning 
computer - doesn't matter if rebol is running on it.

Choppy video plus someones hand infront of camera = scary image ;)

pekr: not yet...

pekr, no he talked about OS'es with and without threads, and talked 
about a light weight threading model for OS'es without threading

why not a optimized kernel, launched at the startup and everything 
else will be rebol ?

OK, but here is an example - if I copy in Total Commander and let 
it copy in the background, it slows as hell. So - is there still 
'launch available? E.g. I want to have 3 rebol OS tasks, each using 
e.g. 5 threads?

Pekr, rebol would not have any control over that. The OS decides 
when it's time to do REBOL stuff

Max - let's not forget following topics - extensible rebol - language 
plug-ins, library wrappers (any improvements?), view plug-ins?

and it wouldn't matter if REBOL used its own threading model or not

Even if you reimplemented TotalCommander in Rebol, you would still 
be dependant on the OS filesystem API.

Henrik - I know, just that currently we can have rebol "tasks" - 
using launch ... my question was, if 'launch is still available?

talking about gobs now?

yep

Yep. Each gob has an alpha channel.

but, what exactly is a gob? is it a face or an image?

what does:

a: make gob! none

probe a

look like?

gob is a ptr to the AGG structure with a an abstraction layer.

Gabriele, the question I saw a while ago on reboltalk forum. The 
guy wanted to put two applications in one. Ie. take two random scripts 
from rebol.org and put them as two panels in a window. This is an 
interesting concept to me. It means abstracting an "app" away from 
the details of the window (or panel) it's in. Just an idea.

maxim, so it's like a buffer? where you can apply effects or do dynamic 
operations on it?

Yes, what are the fields of a gob!  Remember also that objects can 
be extended..

gob is like face, except that is not an object! but a gob! and that 
it is much more optimized

Henrik - from what I know from Cyphre, new View will use full AGG 
compositing (AGG contains compositing engine), so maybe so ...

gob! cannot be extended

ie. you can't make gob! [my-field: ...]

Mmm, ok.

Gabriele - but what is the difference between the gob? Just a name? 
IMO it is  kind of object, no? :-)

i think gob! has user-data, so you can put an object there

it looks like an object but it is a c structure

takes much less memory than faces

Question now is can coordinates of arbitrary points on curved lines 
in agg be accessible in rebol.

why? isn't face just a c structure anywa? As is object! too, no?

no, face is an object! value.

If anyone from Sahores-Conseil is listening...Thanks!  A lot.  It's 
a good day...

gabriele, so a fast arcade game would be made up of gobs (player, 
enemies, score) put inside other gobs (background, starfield)?

yep.

exactly.

just like you would do with faces now

except a billion times faster

(except the fast bit)

:-)

I just wonder if we needed new concept? Weren't we ok with kind of 
min-face, containing simply less fields?

this takes less memory

so do faces still exist? What is the relation?

well AGG still has to do the rasterizing and its CPU based... so 
not million times faster.. but less REBOL collision trying to MANAGE 
the internal C data.