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[!REBOL2 Releases] Discuss 2.x releases
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| Pekr 28-Dec-2009 [578] | We can't cover everything in this one thread here. And I think that ppl interested in further R2 development have no problem to log into R2-beta. It is also imo good to keep it isolated that way ... |
| Paul 28-Dec-2009 [579x3] | Brian, yes we use Oracle and Sybase specifically in our enterprise. |
Yes R2-Beta because it already has many of the accounts already setup. For a 1 week release and feedback that will be best approach. | |
I was just at the R2-Beta world and it doesn't appear any discussion has moved there yet. | |
| Kaj 28-Dec-2009 [582] | I have an old View 1.3.2 here on Ubuntu where echo takes a bit over 100 ms, so the bigger delay may be a recent regression |
| Carl 28-Dec-2009 [583x3] | The 2.7 test release has been built. This is the base build for the next release. It contains SSL, ODBC, DES, etc., and no-license key is required. In addition, I've added an install checkbox to the Prefs (User panel) and an Uninstall to the Help panel. These are just shortcuts to existing features. The download is www.rebol.com/downloads/view277-test1.exe Note that it's version # is 2.7.6, but it has a new system/build date. Don't mix it up with prior versions, as it's not at all tested. |
Please coordinate via BrianH if you have any feedback or comments on this release. | |
Also... not going to spend time yet on non-Win32 until we know if this is close. | |
| Carl 29-Dec-2009 [586x2] | Testing... >> read https://secure28.inmotionhosting.com/~rebolc5/cgi-bin/order.cgi?cmd=buy&prod=sdk& == {<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> <HTML> So far, so good. |
Oh, and I almost forgot: This is a TEST. Use entirely at your own risk. Do not distribute. Do not use to operate nuclear reactors, missle defense systems, aircraft, heart-lung machines, etc. etc. | |
| Graham 29-Dec-2009 [588x4] | odbc works so far. |
for hotmail, and gmail ... download prot-spop.r from http://compkarori.no-ip.biz:8090/REBOL_stuff/REBOL_2/Secure_POP_and_SMTP | |
mbox: open compose [ scheme: 'spop host: "pop.gmail.com" user: [yournamegoeshere-:-gmail-:-com] pass: "password" ] and then pick mbox 1 gives you your first email | |
sorry .. I cut and pasted that .. the 'compose is not needed | |
| amacleod 29-Dec-2009 [592x2] | Awsome Graham...thank you for that (and Carl). |
How long before SSL gets into enface? (support for SDK) | |
| Graham 29-Dec-2009 [594x2] | It's already in Sdk/command ... |
Carl hasn't mentioned anything about freeing Rebol command which still sells | |
| amacleod 29-Dec-2009 [596] | I did not know I would have the need when I bought SDK so I did not get SDK/Command |
| Graham 29-Dec-2009 [597x2] | rebol command sdk |
you can always upgrade ... | |
| amacleod 29-Dec-2009 [599x2] | FOr the difference? $100 |
I guesss that would be worth it. | |
| Graham 29-Dec-2009 [601x3] | http://www.rebol.com/upgrade.html$199 |
I suggest asking Carl if he has any intentions of releasing free sdks first :) | |
Seeing how he has released a free rebol command which currently lists for $349. | |
| amacleod 29-Dec-2009 [604] | Graham, Your scheme is for pop only..have you developed a send mail scheme? |
| Graham 29-Dec-2009 [605x2] | sort of ... |
but why is it needed for? | |
| amacleod 29-Dec-2009 [607] | What do you mean? To send mail from the gmail account from within application. |
| Graham 29-Dec-2009 [608] | I never needed to do that ..always have a smtp server around and just use the gmail account as the reply to address |
| amacleod 29-Dec-2009 [609] | I was contemplating using gmail for all users as I did not want to maintain my own mailserver plus it would give them access under their gmail usernames to use various tools provided by it... |
| Graham 29-Dec-2009 [610x2] | I wrote one ... just have to find it .. the site I posted it to is down. |
In other words .. I never used it. | |
| BrianH 29-Dec-2009 [612x2] | Graham, thanks for copying over those priorities from R2-Beta to here. About how those choices were made and phrased: The R2-Beta world was used when we still thought of REBOL being updated more rarely, in larger increments. This is no longer the case, we are adopting the rapid release model, though more regulary than the R3 alphas. We need to shift our thinking accordingly. Rapid release means that each individual R2 release doesn't have to include fixes for every outstanding bug. We can and will triage and prioritize, and your favorite bug may be moved to the next release. Which won't be a problem because that's coming next month, or the month after. Minor point releases will not be a major deal from now on, they will be monthly occurances. The overall plan for the R2 2.7.x series is to fix what we can in R2 in a way that doesn't break things. This won't be a ground-up rewrite, as we are doing one of those already. No major model changes, just tweaks. There is a lot we can tweak though, including natives. We are trying to avoid disruptive changes that affect scripts at runtime, except in cases where things just didn't work before. Almost all code that works on 2.7.6 should continue to work - that is our goal. Don't expect broken code to stay broken though :) The 2.7.7 release will not be ambitious, we just don't have the time. The priorities are business model changes and low-hanging fruit. The one piece of major breakage from the 2.7.x series that needs fixing in this release is the installer. If you have other priority fixes that can't wait til next month, and you are willing to do the work in this week, please speak up. |
If people can get on the R2-Beta world and start discussing things by end of Tuesday pacific time, we can use that, otherwise all discussions will have to be here in this group. If that turns out to be the case, please keep the discussion on topic. During the next release period we can properly switch to the community development infrastructure we use to make R3. Yes, that includes R3 chat. | |
| Henrik 29-Dec-2009 [614] | Brian, private msg. |
| BrianH 29-Dec-2009 [615] | One personal note: In Monday and Tuesday of this week (local time) I have a day job. Please accept my apologies for not being as active here during that time. By Tuesday evening I will be able to more actively participate in the development of 2.7.7, but for now I can only coordinate. |
| Graham 29-Dec-2009 [616] | Where's your documentation about what is broken for the (windows) installer? |
| BrianH 29-Dec-2009 [617x3] | It's been broken for so long, I no longer have the computer where I originally wrote it back in 2000 and posted it to the mailing list. It's still in my head though, so I'll collect it by Tuesday evening and start working. In brief: - I don't know about installation on platforms other than Windows. Someone else will have to chime in here. Too ambitious for 2.7.7. - Windows 2000+ support is still broken. Multi-user support is broken (same thing, really). - Folder usage was mostly fixed in 2.6.3, but the registry is still misused. Registry migration will be needed. - Non-admin installation should be possible, including user-specific file associations. - Installation was broken altogether in the 2.7.x series - it doesn't work at all, not even to 2.6.3 levels. - No-install usage of View needs better support. This means UI support too, if need be. VIew should be able to be a portable app. Keep in mind that portable app usage of directories is completely different than installed usage, and needs to be. |
Fixing Windows 2000+ support will also enable Vista and Win7 - the rules are the same. | |
Should the R2-compatible mezzanine fixes from R2/Forward be integrated as well? The answer to that depends on the timeframe, Carl. | |
| Graham 29-Dec-2009 [620x4] | we have two days! |
I don't see the installer being fixed in 2 days | |
The R2/forwards stuff is all tested ?? | |
can you post a release so we can test it if not? | |
| BrianH 29-Dec-2009 [624] | Yes, and the most recent release is already in R3 chat. The installer can be fixed in an evening at most. |
| Graham 29-Dec-2009 [625] | for those of us not in R3 chat ... |
| BrianH 29-Dec-2009 [626] | ...you'll be left out of 2.7.8 development. Get in there. |
| Pekr 29-Dec-2009 [627] | As for installer, me, as a fan of copy&run principle, I would like simple option as Altme client has - on first screen, please allow "run from current location", and never ask again ... |
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