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[!REBOL3 Extensions] REBOL 3 Extensions discussions

Graham
20-Jul-2010
[1155x4]
And least useful too
If you import one extension which has an exported function such as 
test and then import a different extension which has the same test 
function, it only recognizes the first.
Also how do you "unload" an imported dll?
Are extensions imported into the global namespace?
Maxim
20-Jul-2010
[1159]
only if the commands are in the export list.
Graham
20-Jul-2010
[1160]
Are extensions imported into the global namespace if they appear 
in the extension's export list?
Maxim
20-Jul-2010
[1161]
the equivalent of it, yes IIRC
Graham
20-Jul-2010
[1162]
that's a drag
BrianH
20-Jul-2010
[1163]
That's what makes in-place updating and manual conflict resolution 
possible.
Maxim
20-Jul-2010
[1164]
no... just dont export them and do this:

lib: import %r3-test-extension.dll

lib/my-command arg arg arg
BrianH
20-Jul-2010
[1165]
That's the other part of the design.
Maxim
20-Jul-2010
[1166]
its nice that the extensions use a module to negotiate the access 
of a lib.

can we force an extension not to export anything?
BrianH
20-Jul-2010
[1167x4]
Sure.
IMPORT/only does that.
I am not aware of whether external extensions can be unloaded. I 
would hope so, because they can in theory be upgraded.
It's not a problem with host-embedded extensions because they are 
not dlls in the first place.
Graham
20-Jul-2010
[1171]
I notice that as long as my r3 instance is running, the dll I imported 
has a file lock on it.
BrianH
20-Jul-2010
[1172x2]
Did you remove all references to the extension? If there are any 
references, the dll shouldn't be unloaded. There's no unimport function, 
so try LOAD-EXTENSION, then throwing away what it returns, then recycling.
LOAD-EXTENSION doesn't import, it just loads.
Graham
20-Jul-2010
[1174]
I unset the function I imported
BrianH
20-Jul-2010
[1175x3]
It is still referenced in system/modules if it is imported. Start 
over, just LOAD-EXTENSION (ignoring what it returns) and recycle. 
See if the DLL is still locked.
Fot that matter, unsetting the function wouldn't work unless you 
unset it in both the user context and the exports context.
There is one global exports context. The separate user context is 
task-specific. Plus each module has its own context.
Graham
20-Jul-2010
[1178]
RobertS, I built mine using MinGW .. didn't try CygWin
Carl
20-Jul-2010
[1179x2]
Graham, you might want to read some of the docs. Helps.
For example, in the case of two modules with same function names, 
you can use a direct reference to clarify which one you're referring 
to, or bind your code to a specific module. Easy to do.
BrianH
20-Jul-2010
[1181]
Carl, do external extensions unload on recycle if there are no extant 
references?
Carl
20-Jul-2010
[1182x2]
Also, every extension owns its own namespace, same as modules.
There's no unloading, but it's possible, however, very low on the 
todo list considering that most extensions are long-lived.  The locked 
DLL G refers to above is because the code segments are loaded. (That's 
more of an OS implementation issue, a poor one IMO.)
Graham
20-Jul-2010
[1184]
I've read all the docs .. as to whether I remember the content, that's 
a different issue
Carl
20-Jul-2010
[1185x2]
So, the next thing on the big todo list is: C-to-R callbacks.
Has anyone thought in detail about what is wanted for callbacks, 
or is it just a general idea that is wanted?
Graham
20-Jul-2010
[1187]
Not in detail ...
Carl
20-Jul-2010
[1188]
Also, on the list is to add BrianH's change, in fact that probably 
should be A102 by itself.
BrianH
20-Jul-2010
[1189]
Maxim has given it some thought, but his thoughts are not task-safe.
Graham
20-Jul-2010
[1190]
When are tasks on the table?
Carl
20-Jul-2010
[1191]
Anytime you want.
Graham
20-Jul-2010
[1192]
Sounds like tasks should preceded callbacks then
BrianH
20-Jul-2010
[1193]
We have tasks now. Just because they don't work properly doesn't 
mean they're not there, and certainly they need to be a consideration 
eventually.
Carl
20-Jul-2010
[1194x2]
What has to happen is to review the additions that have been made 
sense tasks were first added.
That is, classify globals into thread local or not.
BrianH
20-Jul-2010
[1196]
And to review the existing task-related tickets.
Graham
20-Jul-2010
[1197]
If I bring up a GUI in Qt or something .. I'll need a way to call 
rebol from the GUI as otherwise I have no way of communicating except 
on exiting the GUi
Carl
20-Jul-2010
[1198]
That's a messaging request.
Graham
20-Jul-2010
[1199]
( Unless QT is wrapped .. like AGG is )
Carl
20-Jul-2010
[1200]
So, you could use a socket or IPC, etc.
BrianH
20-Jul-2010
[1201]
You probably can't wrap Qt like AGG. It would be easier to wrap R3.
Graham
20-Jul-2010
[1202]
Isn't Rebol blocked by the extension though?
AdrianS
20-Jul-2010
[1203]
don't know if this has been discussed wrt callbacks, but it would 
be good to be able to call back into REBOL for purposes of controlling 
execution, say for debugging from a non REBOL editor/IDE
Carl
20-Jul-2010
[1204]
That's more of a reverse callback, right?