World: r3wp

prot-send.r is just a function and not a scheme.  But it relies on 
system objects such as email ...  I guess we can include these in 
the function until some decision is made about where they should 
go.

The lack of TLS and SSL is going to be a big problem since so many 
people now use secure protocols.

R2 2.7.7 has mention in notes about TLS SSL.  My question is what 
is the test case these were tried on?  I just want to verify they 
work in R2.

This is R3 group.

I know, but a good point for heading in R3...use a common test case 
between the 2.

It's unlikely that tests would be portable - the port model is completely 
different in R3.

Understand all that.  Just what was done in 2.7.7 to test it?  I 
have tried without success.

http://www.gnu.org/software/gnutls/
Lesser GPL ... can this work?

Are there any issues with the lesser GPL and the open host kit?

Or, would this be core RT stuff ...?

GNU TLS supports

Certificate types:	X.509, OPENPGP
Protocols:	TLS1.2, TLS1.1, TLS1.0, SSL3.0

Ciphers:	AES-256-CBC, AES-128-CBC, 3DES-CBC, CAMELLIA-128, CAMELLIA-256, 
ARCFOUR, ARCFOUR-40
MACs:	SHA512, SHA384, SHA256, SHA1, RMD160, MD5

Key exchange algorithms:	RSA, RSA-EXPORT, DHE-DSS, DHE-RSA, DHE-PSK, 
PSK, SRP, SRP-RSA, SRP-DSS, ANON-DH
Compression methods:	DEFLATE, LZO, NULL

Extensions:	Max record size, Cert Type (OpenPGP), Server Name, SRP, 
TLS/IA, Opaque PRF Input

SHA256 ...need this for Amazon signing ...

No GPL stuff can be included in the host kit.

Not even LGPL.

not even if you compile it in yourself??

Only if you write it yourself and relicense it. No point to including 
it otherwise. In theory you could dynamicly link LGPL or Classpath 
code to the host, but you can't staticly link or otherwise incorporate 
it and distribute it. If you can't distribute it, there's no point 
in using the code.

Stick with BSD or similar licenses, like OpenSSL or the Putty SSL 
stack.

putty is the best place to start work on adding SSL to R3.  its all 
there, in MIT it is 100% stand alone and the code is compact and 
clean.

The only tricks are to see if it has proper TLS support and whether 
it is suceptible to the recently discovered SSL/TLS protocol vulns.

Putty hasn't been updated in a while and never reached 1.0. Still, 
I agree that it is the best bet.

I wonder why Carl can't reuse the r2 code ...

Because noone understands it, it doesn't do what we need it to, and 
the port model is different.

And it hasn't been updated in longer than Putty.

Hmm... sounds a serious lapse to let code no one understands be placed 
into r/command ...

It works as well as it always has, and it went in when the developer 
(Holger) was still working for RT.

I looked at the putty code about a year ago... and If it had compiled 
under DevC I would have played around with it... now that I've got 
MSVC, I should be able to build the sources... maybe we could just 
repackage the executable loader as a DLL.  it should be too much 
work.

shouldn't

I thought you were doing other stuff?

yes I am... but just thinking out loud... if someone really needs 
it how one could approach the project.

the putty code was very nice, and well documented on top of it.

What are you working on now?

I think having SSL is essential ..

the C language parser, although I haven't done a lot in more than 
a week.  with university starting up and wanting to use up my last 
days of vacation.

university???

yep.  Visual Arts, part time (although this semester I am doing a 
full time semester, since the courses I took are easy for me).

funny in one of my courses I have to build a web page... hehehe a 
web 1.0 type web page... the kind that I can write using notepad 
in an hour hehe

I might even offer a bit of tutoring for those who don't understand 
it.  


with all the web's ubiquity, most people (non programmers) still 
don't really know what they are doing when it comes to building sites.

Just use FrontPage

No swearing.

LOL

I note rebol.com has frontpage extensions enabled ..

Carl should use it to save time

I doubt that would save him time - all of rebol.com is generated 
from scripts, mostly WIP in the new site.

Brian .. I wuz kidding ....

but he needs a web master ... doing all of this by himself is not 
very efficient

Whew, I was worried about you for a second - was about to call the 
psychiatrist...

And he asked for volunteers, got some and then ignored them ... so 
if you're still calling the psychiatrist ... you know where to send 
him.

Right now the project is just migrating the data to the new format. 
That's a programming problem.

now my ftp scheme is doing what I need .. I can move onto my fax:// 
scheme which uses the ftp protocol but on port 4559

btw, thank you Graham for spearheading this scheme initiative  :-)