World: r3wp

Hopefully the important work has started - http://www.rebol.com/r3/docs/view/graphics-ext.html

That part is pretty important, yes.

Well, it will allow Cyphre (or others) to work on View kernel. But 
as for VID, the work could continue in theory even without the above 
mentioned work?

As for VID, we probably need Carl's input too, to know what he has 
in mind for some concepts (layers for e.g.), but the hostkit is imo 
more important, so I think that we should not disturb him right now 
:-)

yes, I hope I can continue as soon as this other project is done.

No news is bad news?

it's moving. :-)

What's that mean?

... it means, that start of the implementation moved to 2011 :-)

Glaciers move too

implementation resumed a couple of days ago, although I'm out of 
the loop for a while.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1172060/

Oops, that was supposed to go in the glass channel :)

Henrik - will your site with screenshots become available again? 
.... and ... should we await some new creations in upcoming weeks?

yes, I'll try to post some shots when new styles come up.

hi, a little question on field widget

i would like to froce a field to be options[info] disabled

i try myfield/options: [info]

but it don't work !!!!

oups it was for regbui

rebgui ;-)

That explains it :)

GUI status discussion moving here.

Screenshots will be available when there is something to show. Worked 
out a few bugs regarding tab navigation yesterday and there is work 
being done on the basis for a grid system that will be used for tables, 
dropdowns, menus, etc. Someone has been added to the list of developers, 
as I don't have much time right now to do GUI work. He may speak 
up if he wants to. :-)

hehe, cool!

Any fixes for low level? I mean - draw, rich-text, etc.?

no, waiting for host kit for that.

I just wish one thing - things to not add layers of complexity. The 
initial VID work was imo really nice, and I hope it will not complicate 
much ...

Depending on what will be worked on next, we might delve into testing 
schemes. We want the R3 GUI to be easily testable: Fire random events 
at a GUI window and collect errors and crashes and also generally 
record and playback UI events to tell what a user did.

Maybe my fear is preliminary, but it is based upon the doc you created 
... looks like too many things to implement :-)

I volunteer to test, even preliminary versions. It helps me to understand 
gui, to study sources, etc.

btw - is grid system done by Cyphre? He did his own grid, as well 
as RebGUI grid. Hope the design has virtual columns/rows, to stop 
the need to reshape original data source ;-)

we're getting many ideas from the app I'm building now. Automated 
GUI testing is badly needed.

yes, done by him.

And what about menu? How is this being done? I mean - pop-ups? Carl 
still have not expressed, what he had in mind for layers, or did 
he?

OK, so when can we expect "something"? In a month? Later?

That someone is me and in this exact minute I just finished auto-completition 
for the text-list. Yea! :)

cool :-)

Pekr, we're not that far on menus yet. it's just what's planned to 
be done.

I've got basic pop-up working for the drop-down, but it's not finished 
yet.

Complexity: As far as possible, we want to add things in a way so 
you can simply omit them for inclusion when building the GUI. It 
won't be possible for everything, like tags, but testing framework 
would work that way.

welcome Rebolek! :-) You should be put onto Sound, not GUI, no? :-)

later ;)

but if you look at pm-101, I think I can do some GUI work too :)

what is pm-101?

http://www.rebol.org/view-script.r?script=pm-101.r

We are currently checking out how far we can get and what stumbling-blocks 
we might hit to collect some experience.

Goal is to create all internal tools with R3 now (we call them Level-2 
= L2 tools) and build the Level-3 (libs, frameworks, extensions, 
...) in parallel.

Overall we start with the basic concepts we want to have in a GUI 
framework, as we think these needs to be taken into account very 
early. Building up a broad widget-set on a good base shouldn't be 
that hard than.

Is it by any chance planned to add HTML rendering to R3, maybe as 
an extension? (probably not but I'm going to ask anyhow because I'm 
horribly rude) There are some cool apps that mix native GUI widgets 
with HTML content, gitx for example. Would be neat to do this with 
Rebol too. And I'm sure, often enough an app you write is going to 
offer export as HTML, being able to show a preview of the output 
while you are editing the data adds a nice touch to an app.