World: r3wp

LAY-ANY, LAY-COLUMNS, LAY-ROWS :-)

Pekr, we do not need three names, it is just one style

btw - why "panel" is not fitting anymore? I can see no problem in 
using a panel name for what you described ...

(currently called a "group")

I tried to propose one name LAY-* to prelace both panel and group

prelace = replace

no way, there are two styles, we need exactly two names

I hope, you now know, what does the group style look like

Well, I always objected against two things - panel and group having 
different visuals, and both styles having different aproach to how 
they lay things (vertical vs horizontal)

But Carl told me, it is intentional. I always had to look at docs, 
to see, which style does what :-)

You still do not know *what is a group*

I mean *what is a group now*

Ah, so you changed the meaning of a group style?

Didn't I succeed to explain it yet?

yes, group behavior is as shown in the pictures. that is different 
from before, if you'll notice that faces are arranged in "lines".

well, I don't understand the meaning of those images ... too abstract 
for me :-)

They are both groups, in the http://rebol.hmkdesign.dk/files/r3/gui/214.png
you can see the columns, in http://rebol.hmkdesign.dk/files/r3/gui/225.png
you can see rows, can't you?

just look at the box arrangement, and you'll see that you can draw 
a straight line between them in one direction, but you can't in the 
other. that should be enough.

just like the arrangement of articles in an old-style newspaper.

Henrik - by "lines" you mean probably rows, right? OK - what happens, 
if one GUI element in particular row is wider? The whole row becomes 
that wide, or it shrinks?

http://rebol.hmkdesign.dk/files/r3/gui/213.png

It does not probably matter. What is being shown in those images 
is probably the layout mechanism of the group style, right?

yes

so the group style can lay things in either rows, or solumns, or 
both?

not both. that is what PANEL is currently for.

and how does it differ to panel style? (hopefully now I will understand 
the difference :-)

Do you understand what Henrik said?

Well, group style layouts things in either rows, or columns, depending 
upon layout-mode argument. The panel style layouts styles in both 
directions?

Right

And now we need new name for which one, and why the current name 
does not fit anymore?

that is, not "layouts styles" - the panel layout lays the objects 
so, that you always *see* both the columns as well as the rows

So, this is how these two styles work, and there was a question, 
whether the names "group" and "panel" were appropriated.

err, appropriate

I would stay with recent naming them - both names kind of represent 
a "container" kind of a meaning. It is a documentation thing imo.

group is OK,

Than how about BOARD?

Like a chess-board.

Board, matrix, box (that one would collide with the style name, the 
same goes for grid, table). Board sounds good, but I still can't 
see the reason, why panel does not fit ...

Petr, just don't care about it. Suggest a good name :-)

We can go along with Group and Panel, as Pekr suggests, no problem 
either

If we will not find better use-case for a Panel style, then let's 
stay with panel. If not, use Board instead ...

Panel is a good name. All of these are pretty arbitrary when applied 
to a GUI system. Pick something traditional like Group and Panel, 
that sounds nice.

Not Board though, it focuses too much on the flatness and not any 
more on the layout.

Bolek got hurt in an accident, which is why he was not so active. 
He should be back in business in a couple of days.

uh, hope he is OK!

Must be okay if he's back in a couple of days?

Broken clavicle.

You guys didn't make him lift too many heavy widgets??

Is Carl still in the R3GUI scrum ??

yes, although he's focusing on host kit right now.