World: r3wp

problem with this kind of representation as a former small talk extensive 
programer is deeper you go in the specifications more blurry is you 
view ... it's like a melt of lot of boxes everywhere with arrows 
linking them to any direction ... that's pretty hard to handle ...

it can be.. with some compositing I've done I had hundreds of nodes 
in a single shelf... at some point we would do node art   ;-)

maxim it's noted ;) and i appreciate that we have somehow the same 
goal

(compositing as in Motion Pictire Visual effects )

I know I want the basic repitive task to be handle faster... then 
the other probleme is in a function setting a hierachy of calls ....

to get the best result need async processes for each pipe in the 
graph

it goes beyond that... at the purely language level R2 was really 
limiting many things I wanted to do.  view and AGG limitations where 
also very present in my tests.

this aspect is  not usefull on linear easy applicaitons very straight 
forwarded but on complexe application what comes first can be determining 
betwin a working application and a crashing application

maybe somthing like a popup note  when you passe your mouse over 
the node you have like an insight of the node contents and maybe 
a closer view to the links to arrows

all I can say is that on a theoretical level it scales better than 
any other system out there... because using dynamically adapting 
networks of any kind, the structure has as much value as the rest. 
  the fact that its also visual is just icing.

also because these types of networks presents multiple concurrent 
states, you can do much more advanced problem solving than with objects 
and functions.

i like the ideal of rebol being able to gui draw iit's own gui ... 
in my opinion most of the interest using rebol hides there ...

then how can we graphically represents it maybe the tree or node 
based representation isn't the best way that's why i want to speak 
with others and get several point of view on this topic ...

one pretty rare feature on illumination software creator is the hability 
to create applications for HAiku OS desktop (fork projet from beOS)

one thing that should be cool to should be the capability to export 
new feature item. Let say i create a splash screen ready to use window 
you just have to provide an image to it so new in my tool box i have 
this new "piece" of ready to use code it would be pretty fun to be 
able to exchange it to others ...

these are called pools in elixir. :-)

if those sharable items can be synchronised from a network source 
this should be really awsome... recently i saw google document was 
able to share document editions in live that's cool stuff too for 
an IDE to be able to discuss code and then co-write it ...

i do'nt know if that way is applicable on large script probably not 
...

with elixir you can build google-wave like concurrent user apps with 
just a few nodes.  then you can wrap them in a pool and just provide 
the pool as the data to another node.


it is even project that we will be able to reverse-script a pool 
and provide its structure as an output, so that you can actually 
share the pool's structure in real time along with the data it is 
linked to.

sorry i'm trying to imagine using such a tool to write an area_TC 
...

ok maxim ;)

the reason I am working hard on the R3 OpenGL engine is that I want 
to be able to display hundreds of thousands of things in real-time, 
smoothly.

yeah hardware acceleration is the only suitable way for that

so this is just to program your dataflow engine?

people must understand that this effort is not just "for fun" I've 
been reading almost 4 hours a day on average on various topics so 
that the performance will be hard-core, at least the design will 
allow it to be sooner rather than after 15 rewrites.

maxim in a near futur the APU will lead and rebol should be able 
to adapt to that hardware change fast ... And benefit from it

I think in graphic application the overall look is very important 
 ...

i like the gem like display  of elixir

on you screen what puzzles me is that it seems to have 2 groups of 
gems in relation but without any relation or execution order/depency 
betwin those 2 groups...

i understand this pic can represent an ongoing work ;)

its to program a completely new OS design which was tought of 15 
years before terms like "the cloud" became buzzwords.  In this system, 
there is no concept of cloud as a difference in your day to day work 
and play.


in elixir, you are not on or in *a* cloud, the idea is that everything 
we relate to *is* a cloud.  from the button which you click on (which 
is part of the application's cloud) to the current definition of 
servers that process services.  in fact, in elixir, the button state 
of your application can become input data for ANY other node. be 
it in the app, or within a single integer variable sitting in a process 
queue on a server... its the same interface to link them than to 
create a new thread.  there are basically no differences.

yes, you can have several unrelated sets, just like you have unrelated 
apps or files on your current computer  :-)

ok and here i'm lost ;)

the line between data, process and structure is blurred into one 
and the same system.

yeah

that like the rebol.org in a potential 10 ... some step forward the 
rebol/desktop concept ... those idea of distributing or lets say 
shared code repository is just facinating ... so much more can be 
done in that scope

glass v2 already proves the interface can be a cloud of nodes... 
I just shipped my first 400kb glass based app to a client two hours 
ago.


it can scale to 200mb of nodes and data editing people softs' incredily 
lame SQLserver DB setup.

nice

although at some point it gets really slow because of the limits 
of R2... it just chugs along never *EVER* breaking about even though 
at some point I've got about 50000 nodes talking to each other.


actually, the only thing that does constantly break a part is everything 
which isn't representable as nodes... like events, and input data 
files which I must read and convert into nodes, which get connected 
directly to the interface.

anyhow... back to OpenGL in R3  ;-)

ok

i saw your first teapot picture any improvements since then ?

i will try to think this  more  i like the idea of  having a fast 
view uppon rebol script as a view boxed/noded in realation one to 
another. I like the idea of behing able to "enter" those box/nodes 
to adapt them enhance them or simply redefine them. I like the idea 
of sharing pre-sets box and having a synchronised / shared tool box 
.If i design a tool and make it available then in a short time that 
tool becomes part of the hudge collective tool box and then is shared 
to every one.

i like the idea of a splendid scenarised grphical overview ..

boxes aren't tools but they can become tools and tools can become 
boxes to be edited / modified

wrt teapot progress ...  in many ways its regressed  ;-)


The teapot was a test of how to integrate something into R3's view 
engine safely and without any side-effects.  hopefully some of that 
research will allow us to better hook into R3 with an eventual tiny 
expansion of the gob structure.


now I'm actually building the engine which interprets user data and 
sends that data to the integration I did earlier. 

though its pretty much empty right now.  I'm *just* about to add 
reading of a user built block of data which I convert to low-level 
C structs and then render in HW.

then can a recusiv process be the base of the tool creation/collection 
can then those basic bricks be assembled on more sofisticated tools 
 those sofisticated tools being then short cuts to create your own 
software

I'm also beginning to feel like a real C programmer... which is a 
welcome change...

pools become nodes.  so anything that can connect to a node can also 
connect to a pool (which means everything per the philosophy of elixir).

hahahaahaha  .... i hate to be forced to C program to do rebol i'm 
interrested in rebol the other languages juste bore me to the infinite 
point ...