World: r3wp

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Rebolek, architecturally, it may be a good idea to provide such thumbnails 
as part of the help system, when it comes along. The help system 
is what will allow us to use layouts and gobs as tool-tips for any 
face, so hopefully it will be possible to call up an image in 1-2 
lines of code.

Is that the current fashion .... bevelled tabs?  And not rounded 
tabs?

and would it be feasible to have tabs across multiple rows instead 
of having to use arrows to move the tabs across?

Most multi-tab apps I see spread across 3 or more rows

style design is not really commentable, since it will be replaced, 
when the GUI is stable and near complete.

Tabs are not rounded, because there were some problems with ARC in 
SHAPE :)

Interesting ..

Tabs in multiple rows? I'll think about it.

I see windows uses square tabs

With slightly rounded corners in most themes.

I was just checking out the advanced system properties in the control 
panel .. no rounded corners

The rounding is only a few pixels, and antialiased. Look with the 
magnifying glass if you can't see it.

Hence "slightly" :)

Hm, thinking about multi-line tabs - if you have so many tabs, it's 
probably a good idea to redo your UI.

I am not sure I like tabs in multiple rows :-) What .e.g Mikrotik 
does is, that they add small button right after the arrows, which 
reads "...", and it displays menu (we could use listbox), showing 
list of all tabs ...

I think that having automated multiple row tabs would complicate 
the design

Yeah. The tree view on the left has been a good substitute for multiline 
tabs in recent preference dialogs.

Rebolke - or Graham might use nested panels, no? Each panel can contain 
its own tab style ....

Yes, that's possible even right now.

Henrik: "The help system is what will allow us to use layouts and 
gobs as tool-tips for any face ..." - IIRC, Carl wanted to introduce 
kind of layers. I still request this feature, as well as multiple 
draw block styles :-)

multiple draw blocks work.

Rebolek - yes, and that is my point ... now I will create a screenshot 
for you, showing the mikrotik feature ...

Pekr, the help system might be done with some kind of layers. So 
far, I'm not sure Carl's specs are going to be followed. That depends 
on the architecture.

Multi-line tabs is generally considered bad design.

are there any "Carl's specs" for layers at all?

there was a spec document which specified layers, guides, etc. but 
it's lost now.

why is something like that lost? :-)

I just can't find it. Spent hours looking for it. Carl can't find 
it either.

Nested tabs are often cited on sites that document and discuss bad 
UI design.

Nested tabs are just workaround to achieve multple row tabs ...

Which are also considered bad design.

As are scrolling tab bars that don't show all of the tabs at once.

The "bad design" part being "too many tabs, use something other than 
tabs as a structuring model".

exactly.

Here's two examples from Mikrotik RouterOS, which migh eventually 
serve as an inspiration:

http://xidys.com/mikrotik/mikrotik-collapsable-ui.jpg
http://xidys.com/mikrotik/mikrotik-many-tabs.jpg

Yes, that should be possible.

and also with d'n'd reordering :)

I am fine with arrows, although some listbox/menu is probably faster 
solution ....

btw - in DOS era, we had one concept in UI, although it regarded 
only the grid - each user could save his/her grid setup. Now as reordering 
of tabs is possible, it would be maybe nice to allow to save UI set-up. 
But I did not think about such concept in deep, so not sure how it 
would eventually complicate the matter ...

Save UI setup - hm, yes, that should be possible, at last tabs order. 
There's not much else to save right now :)

last used tab, last focused item. there are a few things to save, 
but as long as they can be retrieved and set in code, it should be 
possible to do.

speaking of which: would it not be a good idea to have functions 
that can extract and impose facets on a face in one line of code?

like set-facet and get-facet ?

yes, only for the entire face.

that would make it simple to save a state

seems there are some issues with LOAD and SAVE in A110, so no r3-gui 
build today.

Hm, we may try it to see, how it works.

Imagine saving the size, ordering, freezening of grid columns for 
e.g. It would be tiresome for user set it each time app starts .... 
just an idea ...

Yes, I see no problem in allowinf this.