World: r3wp

- What I am interested at more than in the skin is better system 
metrics (spacing). Is there doc describing the box model, and how 
should it be used? E.g. I have styles like text, panel, button - 
what should be put in margin, edge, padding?

Pekr, re your questions:

-new resizing changes: there will be 'api changes' otherwise we wouldn't 
postpone the release. The resizing will be more flexible. (All that 
has been benn written 3 msg above ;))

-box model: we have box model documentation but this is now outdated 
(that's why it was not added to the release yet).  We are working 
on the updated docs for the new release (already stated in the message 
above).

SCRUM: Well, the fundamental requirement for everything is that someone 
works on it. If this is not the case, every method looks like failed. 
But SCRUM is definetly not the problem. RMA uses it.

Expectations: That might be correct... RMA doesn't do expectation 
management, we do result management. So, whatever people expect and 
why, I can't read their minds.

visuals: We understand, but no priority at the moment.

R3: You all know that Carl is on his own. So, he can spend every 
hour only once. And you all know that Rebol is no commercial success. 
The rest is common sense...

And, we don't have any secret versions, code base or so. So it's 
mostly the same for us as for you. At least the result is the same.

Nevertheless, I don't see R3 Core is a show-stopper for RMA.

Robert - you have a business case. For many of us, REBOL is kind 
of hoby, a church, where we need a leader, that's why Carl's being 
greatly missed being more publicly active :-)

Ladislav "The "show-native" is another case of Kaj's reinventing 
the wheel. It has been corrected almost a month ago (the correction 
was even posted by me above), wondering where Kaj is getting his 
%r3-gui.r3 file?"

I implore you to read the discussion better - with an open mind. 
For example, the r3-gui.r3 file is from your own distribution

Our distribution does not contain the show-native since January 28

I suggest you to read the discussion, you could spare yourself the 
need to reinvent the wheel

Kaj, I bet your r3-gui.r3 was definitely not the latest version from 
http://www.rm-asset.com/code/downloads/files/r3-gui.r3

The bug you showed has been fixed in the release from 28.1.2011 (see 
the announce group)


It looks more like you have been loading the r3-gui.r3 from Josko's 
http://www.colineau.fr/rebol/downloads/tests-R3Gui.ziparchive ;-)

Yeah, I remember the 'unless fix. But - it might have scolled away 
pretty fast -lot's of chatte here ....

That provokes another request from me: please stop presenting "political 
opinions" here. The purpose of this group is to discuss the GUI.

Pekr, yes, nevertheles, I just wanted to correct Kaj, that the version 
he used was definitely not comming from our server but from some 
third party test archive...hope it helps.

OT: How about creating an RMA group? Whom do I have to ask?

Altme group?

Cyphre: "Kaj, I bet your r3-gui.r3 was definitely not the latest 
version from http://www.rm-asset.com/code/downloads/files/r3-gui.r3

The bug you showed has been fixed in the release from 28.1.2011 (see 
the announce group)"

Yes, it was your latest version. Other than Ladislav going on about 
it, this point is not worth discussing. The discussion clearly shows 
that Jocko helped me solve this situation

Or in any case, I made sure to also test with your version, as the 
discussion shows. It was solved, I didn't think about it further, 
and I never brought it forward as a complaint

The fact, that you are insisting you used our r3-gui.r3 version while 
at the same time proving yourself wrong stating that you always ran 
a different version not obtained from us puzzles me. How can you 
describe "state of the gui" in such case is totally beyond my understanding.

I may have missed the latest version, but the one in my zip has the 
same date as the one at this link. http://www.rm-asset.com/code/downloads/files/r3-gui.r3
.i.e; 9-Dec-2010/10:32:04+1:00. May I suggest to put a version nr 
to r3-gui in order to avoid any mistake ?

And where can I find an up to date version ?

Regarding the date: currently, it is just the date of the file loading 
the whole GUI, which has not changed since December.

We shall find a way, how to put in a more informative value.

So, r3-gui.r3 is just a loader, not the whole GUI code?

The r3-gui.r3 is the whole code, but it "gets" the information from 
the main (loader) file

Will be corrected.

The fact, that you are insisting you used our r3-gui.r3 version while 
at the same time proving yourself wrong stating that you always ran 
a different version not obtained from us puzzles me. How can you 
describe 

state of the gui" in such case is totally beyond my understanding."

You are puzzled because you are putting words in my mouth. I never 
stated I never ran your version. In fact, I implored you to read 
the opposite in the discussion archive

The file with the whole code should at least have a modified date 
that matches when it was last built, or match the most recent modified 
date of its component parts.

Ladislav, are you now forbidding me to speak on publicly available 
projects that I tried?

the r3-gui.r3 should be obtained from:

http://www.rm-asset.com/code/level1/r3-gui/

The link on your website is the link Jocko mentioned

If I load RMA's original GUI in Jocko's R3, I get the same result
 - this is a citate, proving:

1) you stated you used our r3-gui.r3

2) you have proven yourself wrong by obtaining a result that can 
be obtained only from Jocko's code

Whatever, Ladislav. Playground fights are years behind me

Ladislav, are you now forbidding me to speak on publicly available 
projects that I tried?

 - no, I am just suggesting that you are trying to speak publicly 
 about project you *did not try*

Whatever. How will I demonstrate software tomorrow without trying 
it? ReBorCon must be the best magic show ever!

For me, that makes a huge difference.

You're a good wizard yourself. You magically know what projects I'm 
going to talk about

Aha, so, you are stating, that what you mentioned in the ReBorCon 
2011 group was not true?

I'm having a good laugh over here

This ceases to make any sense

Yes, you long ago ceased making sense

I am not trying to forbid you to speak about anything, but am publicly 
making a disclaimer: Kaj has proven himself wrong when stating he 
tried the r3-gui as available from rm-asset.

I invite you to come over tomorrow to make this clear to the people

Thanks, unfortunately, I cannot

Next time when we try to promote someone's project, we'll have them 
sign a contract in advance stating that they want it