World: r3wp

that's a thing only a closed disgn 100% controled  like the apple 
one can offer

Chips in handheld and embedded systems aren't that multicore yet, 
so they can still be programmed in the old ways (like Java).

brianH that's why before the multi core processor you had multi single 
cores dedicated memory architecture and you still have that design 
in the MEGA ULTRA COMPUTERS

and yes writing programs on those computers means a specific knowledge 
.... Problem is the industry said to the code continu to code the 
way you did so fare the hardware will optimise it

wich obviously isn't the case

Yes, but those mega-utlre computers are just a sign of where things 
are going. On the bitty computers you can still party like it's 1979, 
but on servers you are starting to see cores in the hundreds.

And only on the manyi-core computers is multitasking a real problem 
that needs new language semantics. On the old or bitty systems REBOL-as-it-is 
will do fine.

(I agree, sometimes you have to use the aA button to increase the 
font size.)

well problem is when you have several chips then you have to design 
alot of bus wich enhance alot the price of the computer imagine those 
computer have over a hundred or a thousand processor

ich individual processor is weak  but all together with a well coded 
software they are blasting

anyway you won't play halo 4 on them so what ever what the people 
buys today are games

game industry is a 90 billon dollars market ...  if rebol can be 
used to solve most ot the coding problems there i would say why not 
?

I don't design hardware, I design software, or tools to build software. 
And different hardware sometimes demands different semantic constraints 
on the tools to build the software. The multi-core crisis isn't affecting 
hardware as much as it is a crisis of development tools that need 
to write software for that hardware.

BrianH that's why we need rebol there

but rebol using 100% my CPU  to draw 3 lines on screen i say NO ! 
you see my point

I like REBOL because it makes it easy to write development tools. 
And that will inevitably include tools for massive multitasking.

ok the software can be optimised and R3 and  R2 differencies in software 
design and rendering potential already shown a big improvement

Tools for graphics too, which others are actively working on now. 
And once AGG is reliably in the host then the whole (qualified portion 
of) the community can work on optimizing it.

and that's not even using the grace of my new hardware   i use that 
rebol script on my desktop computer or on netbook the results will 
be the same even if my desktop is hella goliath and my netbook is 
hella the small thing ... So people will say hey that's fantastic 
same animation run anywhere with same results (much or less ) but 
i would say  ... hum no

But GPGPU tools are a separate issue, really, even if they run on 
the same hardware. The workloads are semarate and have different 
semantics.

semarate ->separate

every time carl share a benchmarking with us on altme i come with 
a benchmark 70% percent (minimum) under this benchmark ... for non 
graphical computing  so this deferency exist in rebol in fact

but  when you enter the graphical area it like a normalised dimension 
where any hardware produce the same rendering

and i like to optimise things i  like to be able to detect hardware 
and adapt my code to it and there  i think the ability of rebol to 
write in fly it's own code could be interresting

Yes, and? We can create dialects in R3 right now that are processed 
with native code; we've had that ability since the first extension 
model came out. If you want to make an optimized dialect, go right 
ahead. Cyphre is working on one, I have one on my list, others are 
considering working on them too.

i don't even know how to use parse lol ... doing a dialect maybe 
next life ...

OK then :) It's all well and good to complain about stuff, but getting 
stuff done requires contributions, either of effort, money or in 
some cases research. If you can write a good enough spec, it makes 
it easier for someone to implement it. Short of that, it gets a little 
tiring to hear that REBOL isn't good for this or that workload, when 
it is already good for other workloads. If you think that REBOL has 
a weakness that can be resolved in some way, help resolve it. Otherwise, 
use another tool :)

For instance, I remember some guy named shadwolf helping resolve 
the lack of a rich text editor in REBOL :)

I can express needs and do remarks without knowing how to do them 
 and brianH i think i proved when i know how to do something i do 
it and then share my knowledge with the bigest number possible

yeah but the solution i  proposed could be way more sexy and without 
alot of work ...

and redering a text only document is not the same as rendering a 
web page for example ... we are one step closer to that goal when 
i proposed a AGG only engine people told me it's impossible and steeve 
made that vision come true ...

Maybe I'm just interpreting the vast amount of words you write about 
any subject as harping. If I could type that fast, I'm sure I'd be 
as verbose :)

Brianh you need to abstract yourself from syntax and semantic rules 
that's easy you type on your keyboard a like a drunken guy and that's 
it :)

you don't imagine all the task it takes me to do a single line of 
rebol rebol can understaand without errors :)

Doesn't help. Damaged hand.

aaaaaaaahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaa

i want rebol to be attractive i want my boss to tell me i can use 
it every day is that  to much to ask ?

That is a question for Advocacy. Here, we build stuff :)

k so buld me a R3 that will make java looks like a toy thank you 
in advance ... i sware on my grave i would had it writed with  "i 
made my life a rebol" :)

be we all knows that i won"t die i will fade away progressively than 
disapear without a trace :)

Java already seems like a throwback to the last century to me, like 
a steam engine. Steam engines can still be useful at times though.

Meanwhile, I should get back to building R3. Right now I'm revamping 
the module system some more.

maybe a good comparation is my netbook ...  ok on my netbook i have 
3 os i have mister windows 7 starter edition  wich use so much mu 
cpu that the bettery life is cut by 2

then i have mister ubuntu netbook 10.04 wild thing animal thing dot 
thing then faster to start good perf extensible with thousand of 
applications just with a single click then i have android fast starting 
no apps and a web browser so slow that i can go take a coffee before 
the page gets full rendered. android is a close poratage without 
access to android market  so it comes wth some apps and that's all 
you can get but it boots in 5 secs ... sooooooooooo what do i use 
?

i use ubuntu  why  because even if it boot up in 45 seconds that's 
why better than booting in  3 minutes like windows 7 started ed does 
and then on the overall use it's way faster and reactive than the 
 windows 7 doing i don't know what with my cpu to mobilise it 100%

wolfie, there's lots to do before r3 is ready .. why not work with 
what we have?

with ubuntu i have 7 hours of use on battery full charge with windows 
7 3hours  and the cPU is so hot i can't handle it ...

Advocacy, really. We're building something specific here. These general 
requests to make R3 "better" or "faster" are swamping the group that 
would better be kept to specifics.

This is the r3 group ...

To make R3 better .. we need extensions